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The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: Mehtab Singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 04, 2008 12:30PM

Sri Laxman Ji was Sri Ram Chander Ji's younger brother. After Sita Mai was kidnapped by Ravan, she threw her jewelery on the path he took her from, thus leaving behind a trail for Sri Ram Chander Ji. The jewelery included her ear rings, necklace, bangles etc. and aslo the small rings she wore on the fingers in her feet. Sri Ram Chander Ji recognized her jewelery, but Laxman was able to recognize only the rings she wore in her feet, as he never gazed on her above her feet. It has been a well known fact throughout history that Sri Laxman Ji never ever gazed upon any woman above her feet. I would love if Bhai Kulbir Singh ji could expand some more as this is only a short story I am aware of.

May Guru Sahib bless all of us with such a high moral character!

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: Bhopinder Singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 05, 2008 05:44AM

mehtab singh ji

Please read hum hindu nahin by kahn singh nabha

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: Harcharan Singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 05, 2008 08:27AM

Bhopinder Singh Ji, what has that book got to do with theinspirational post?

Or is it that Sikhs are not allowed to take inspiration from outside of the 'Sikh' world?

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: xzik101 (IP Logged)
Date: October 05, 2008 11:06AM

Bhopinder Singh bro, what has that book got to do with this topic? Mehtab Singh Jee is telling us about the great high moral character people of olden times and we can all be inspired by this. We need to stop being Hindu phobic for minute and realise that ideally Sri Lakshman Jee's high moral character towards the women should be reflected on today's Indian youth, unfortunately today's Indian youth look up to the bollywood film stars whose filmi characters are always chasing girls so the youth of today try to mimic this behaviour because they think it’s “cool” to be Besharam.

Something is really wrong with today's society which no longer has the high moral characteristics of Indians of the past who would respect all women as a mother and sister. Now the Besharam holyday of Valentines day is being widely celebrated in India further encouraging degenerate perverted behaviour amongst the youth especially the college going youth. If the youth were to follow Sri Lakshman Jee's example instead of the characters displayed in bollywood films, I think that India would be a better place today.

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: Bhopinder Singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 05, 2008 06:35PM

good for you and I dont know your names .This site has nothing to do with it.Just remmember you history ..............I mean jodha bai was offered to akbar the great for protection of your civilisation.

Not to mention loosing dropdi in a gambling bet and the latter plight of her in front of drona and bhisma.

what do you have to say about that


as per your beshrmi thing could be stopped by empowring women .I mean they have to defend themselves and not look for brother,father ,husband ,son and that is never your history.

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: M Singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 05, 2008 08:02PM

About different episodes of Ramayana; no body is sure, what is true about it and what not. For me, Hindu mythology, is never a chapter to depend upon for gaining any guidance. Somebody (the writer of Ramayana) wanted to say that Lakshman Ji had a very high respect for Sita Ji; so he made the story like that.---------And then every body has his own versions and interpretations. When there is so much in Ramayana; which adds no spiritual ranks to Rama, the main character; then how can we depend on a side character for spiritual or moral guidance. One can just read it as a story and nothing more to ponder upon it.-----------------

And now coming to the main idea of the post. If Sita Ji was like a mother to Lakshman, then what was wrong in looking upon the face of a divine mother, Sita. It seems that idea of not looking other than the feet of Sita; shows some binding on Lakshman for such type of discipline, while living with his brother and Sita.-----------The sikhs of Guru Nanak and Guru Gobind Singh Ji have a very very high standards of moral character and respect for women that the story of Sri Lakshman is not able to infuse any further strength in that. Our Guru says your respect of women should be for all, may be she is related to u or not. But just see the story of Lakhman, when he cuts nose of the sister of Ravana. Is it the respect of women?????????????

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: Anonymous User (IP Logged)
Date: October 06, 2008 02:14AM

Gurfateh

One correction over here.

As per Charitropakhyan

Jodha was wife of Jahangeer.

She once killed a lion with sword.

Jahangeer was happy.Nurjahan played a charecter.She in order to let her husband no go partial for his second wife Jodha psychologically terrorised the fool moghuls king by telling him that a lady who could kill a lion with single blow could kill a man(like you).Jahangeer stayed away from Jodhabai.

There are turbanned Hindus among us.

Das read this stroy about Sant Kartart Singh Ji Bhindrawale.In Ramleela ground,during the celebration of 300 years of shaheedi of Ninth Master,we had
some Sikh praising Mrs. Gandhi for her love to Sikhs by letting her doughter in law from Sikhs(stroy is otherwise which Sangat wants das can write as Maneka Gandhi is distant relative to das).Sant Ji felt very upset and told that Sikhs have started to talk about Rajputs.Had Guru Maharaj not there then Bibi Indira would have been sitting in some Burqa in some Harem.

Forgive posting things out of context.

Ramayan by Valmiki is OK,Our Guru has also writtan Ramavtar.Main reason for this was not to encourgae us to worship Rama or Laxmana but was to prove Brahmins that we are not unaware of acient indian treditons and thier (Brahmins)propoganda that we are anti to Dharam is useless.We know our and thier Dharam better then them.(last lines are main idea of Gyan Jagdesh Singh Ji kotili,who runs Navyug Chetna Samaj and is an ally of Sant Singh i Maskeen).

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: Harcharan Singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 06, 2008 04:10AM

What a horrible little box you people live in.

There are many lessons of bravery, wisdom and morality that can be learnt and respected from the lives of the previous Puran Avatar.

No one is suggesting that they replace Guru sahiban or are better than Guru Sahiban - out Guru's themselves looked at people actions and judged the person rather than their dharmic background - hence the commitment of brave souls like Pir Buddu Shah to the 10th Masters cause.

Yes no history is 100% correct - inc the numerous accounts/rehits from own our history - but we use Gurmat and Budhi to choose that which is sublime. Mythology or not, 10th Master has used Chandi di Vaar, Ram Avatar etc to give Singhs inspiration and battle/chivalrous (Bir Ras) mindset. This does not influence Gurmat - it is egalititarian and universal beauty of recognising divine action and attributes in all. This is also not to say Sikhi does not have brave examples to follow - Guru Ji is at the same time opening peoples minds and sharing that with the common man which was for millenia, hidden from them through Brahman God-monopoly.

One story that inspires me is of when Laxman Ji and Sita Ji used to take sermon/wisdom (divaan) from Sri Ram Chandra. If Sri Ram Ji sat on the floor and start his sermon - out of nimrata and deep rooted respect for their Guru, Sita Ji and Laxman Ji would dig the floor where they were sitting and re-sit at a lower level in order not to sit equally with Sri Ram Ji.

Does this idea ring any bells!

I wish some of the 'wiser' Veers on this site would educate the phobic youth here.

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: scimitar (IP Logged)
Date: October 06, 2008 05:03AM

way i c is just have respect for women full stop! i think its a commendable attribute for a bloke to have such a trait. in todays world we have to interact visually with work colleagues, but i think the moral of the story would be to lower our minds gaze n perhaps replace it with naam and see the woman as our sister or mum.

even islam somewhere mentions that people should lower their gaze with women..like it or not the world does have a few things in common.
hari singh nalwa smashed it!

theres nothing wrong by looking at the attributes of recognised men of the past all over the world, i have respect for many prophets n messengers n know my head comes bak every day to sikhi. We can appreciate others without being influenced by other religions, ONLY if you do what you should be doing..

if your motive is not to go bak to God n you are not applying full hearted devotion then you perhaps you will become multi wayward in the end.

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: xzik101 (IP Logged)
Date: October 06, 2008 07:44AM

scimitar wrote
Quote:
even islam somewhere mentions that people should lower their gaze with women..like it or not the world does have a few things in common.

Ideally a Sikh imitates the moral examples of his Gurus and Bhagats of all Yugs, the Hindus also imitate the examples of avtars and Bhagats in their history, Buddhists do the same. Similarly Muslims follow the example of their prophet and the Sahaba. But if thier prophet owned female slaves, forcibly married women as war booty as he did with the Jewish tribe of Banu Quraiza then I don't really see a high moral character attached with the Islamic faith. For them the moral code is only followed for a Muslim woman not a non Muslim woman.

It may seem like high moral character in that part of the world, but from our standards(Sikh standards) these are very very very low morals and ethical level. In fact if a person in our community were to have these types of "moral ethics" he would be the most hated person in the Panth, like Ajit Poohla who raped, looted, kidnapped and held people of ransom. If history of the prophet as written in the Hadiths is correct(which all Muslims beleive) then the Prophet also did those exact same things. According to their tradition it is only a Paap(sin) if these things are done a Muslim woman. But for a non Muslim woman it is okay.

That is not the way a Sikh thinks. For us all women are either our mothers sisters or daughters regardless of race, religion or caste. These is the ideal level of high moral charater of the ideal Sikh. That is why Sikhs of olden times were called "Sant Sipahi". They weren't just Sipahis, but they were Sant's who happen to be Sipahis.

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: Sardar Singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 06, 2008 08:53AM

I think with all th examples we have from Sikh history like Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa, Baba Deep Singh, Nawab Kapoor Singh, Jassa Singh Ahluwalia and countless others and their respect for women, going to Hindu mythology for inspiration is unnecessary.

If we want to talk about a Lacchman, then let's talk about Bhai Lacchman Singh Shahid of Sri Nanakana Sahib saka or Shahid Bhai Lacchman Singh (Bashir Mohammed).

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: kulbir singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 06, 2008 08:56AM

I don’t have a Hindu or Islamic phobia and for this reason I respect any person who has displayed high probity and morality. There are numerous examples when men and women were able to display high character in face of very adverse circumstances and all such persons deserve our respect. Respecting their expression of high character does not mean that we are subscribing to everything they did i.e. we are not adopting their religion or culture.

Guru Sahib has stressed very high values for Sikhs. There are hukams in Gurbani that let alone having physical relations with opposite sex, even viewing them with feelings of Kaam is prohibited:

ਪਰ ਤ੍ਰਿਅ ਰੂਪੁ ਨ ਪੇਖੈ ਨੇਤ੍ਰ ॥
(Let your eyes not see the beauty of other women).

There are several such pankitis in Gurbani that tell us how to keep our eyes pure of viewing opposite sex in kaamic way, keeping ears pure of slander of others etc.

Lakshmana

Coming back to the story of Lakshman keeping his eyes pure by not even looking at Sita, should inspire us to have high character. While, it may seem that cutting the nose of Saroopnakha was a bit harsh thing to do for Lakshmana but before he cut her nose, he had to endure extreme seduction from the hands of Saroopnakha. Saroopnakha as her name tells was a very beautiful woman and she used many ways to seduce Lakshmana but failed. It would have been better if Lakshmana had not cut her nose but that’s not what’s being discussed here nor we are discussing other parts of Ramayana here. Take what’s good and ignore what’s bad. This is the character of a Hans (swan) that separates milk and water and takes only milk.


Arjun

Coming to Duaapar Yug we see that Arjuna who is also called Dhanjaya and Partha was seduced by the heavenly beauty of Indra-Lok - Urvashi but Partha stayed unfazed by the attemps of Urvashi. In the end, he was cursed to be an impotent person for one year. This curse became a blessing for him because it helped him disguise himself from the Kauravas, when the Pandavas were supposed to stay in exile undetected for one year. In Mahabharata there were people who had lose characters too e.g. the King of Sindh – Jayadratha. He tried to abduct Panchali (Drupadi) but was caught in time by the Pandavas who were going to kill him but pardoned him because he was their brother-in-law. Their cousin sister, the sister of Duryodhana – Dushala was married to Jayadratha.

Others like Vishvamitra, the famous Rishi, who was meditating deeply when the throne of Raja Indra started shaking. Raja Indra's throne started shaking because Indra thought that Vishwamitra was doing all this bhagti to attain the throne of Indra. He sent his most beautiful Apsara (heavenly woman) to seduce him. She successfully seduced this great Maharishi and he engaged in Kaam for many years and gave up his meditation. So strong is the force of Kaam that destroyed the bhagti of many. As per Gurmat, Gurmat Naam is the only way to be saved from Kaam. There's no other way.


Puran Bhagat

The famous Lok-Nayak of Punjab - Puran Bhagat - was a person of very high morals and for keeping his character clean he had to endure many hardships. When he became youth, his step-mother Rani Luna, who was said to extremely beautiful as per the famous Muslim writer Kadir Yaar who wrote Kissa-Puran Bhagat, tried to seduce him. When he refused to fall for her, she accused him of trying to molest her. His father Raja Salvan, who was the king of Sialkot (a city in Pakistan now) was blinded by Rani Luna, got very upset at Puran Bhagat. He ordered that his hands and feet be cut and he be thrown in a well outside the kingdom. Puran Bhagat was so generous and magnanimous that he did not open his mouth to tell of the ill-doing of his step-mother. His mother Rani Ichhran cried so much that she lost her eyesight. Puran Bhagat was left to die in the well but he was saved by Gorakhnath the leader of Sidhas and the top-disciple of Machhindernath. Puran Bhagat to up Yog and became a Yogi.

Puran Bhagat was said to be very good looking and one day when he was out on his round to beg alms, he ended up outside the palace of Rani Sundran, a beautiful woman who is said to be so beautiful that people would lose consciousness looking at her. Kadir Yaar the poet has written this incident very dramatically. When the Rani heard the sound of “Alakh Naranjan’ the cry of Yogis, she sent one of her maids outside to give alms. When the maid beheld Puran Bhagat, she fainted because of his good looks. When the maid did not arrive for quite sometime, Rani Sundran herself went outside to give alms and she too fainted looking at him. When she regained her consciousness, she cajoled him in many ways to give up his vows of celibacy and accept her as his consort. He politely refused. She even went as far as approaching Gorakhnath the Guru of Puran Bhagat but Puran Bhagat did not budge. In other words, the point to make is that Puran Bhagat was known for his high character and Punjabi mothers to this day, tell their children tales of Puran Bhagat in order to build characters of their children.

I heard the story of Puran Bhagat from my grandmother when I was a child and I remember that I never got tired of hearing it. I used to ask her to narrate this tale to me everyday. My grandmother used to narrate the plight of Puran Bhagat’s mother Ichhran so vividly that I used to cry. I used to love that part when Puran Bhagat after doing bhagti for many years arrived at his hometown Sialkot. He sat outside the town in a dead garden but when he arrived there, the garden became alive again. The flowers bloomed and everything became green. The town heard about the arrival of a great yogi. The king and his family came to pay homage. His step-mother Luna arrived as well along with his mother Ichhran. My grandmother used to tell me that though his mother was blind but when she comes in her son's presence, her mamta (motherly love) awakened through her sixth sense and milk started flowing from her breasts. This way she found out that her son Puran Bhagat was alive. Luna who had been unable to bear any child to the king regretted and admitted her mistake in open. Puran Bhagat got vindicated. Puran Bhagat then blessed her and gave her boon to have a great child. His uttering came true and in due time a son was born to Luna who was another great hero of Punjab folk. He was none other than the famous Raja Rasalu. Sorry for going off topic. The point I was trying to make was that high character is an absolute must for Bhagti.


Sardar Baghel Singh

One of the incident that took place during the 1700s is that a Muslim girl of Lahore royal family falls in hands of Singhs under the command of Sardar Baghel Singh. Sardar jee in those times was in his prime and a very handsome young man. On the other hand, this Muslim girl who’s name I can’t remember now was known for her good looks. She was accustomed to getting attention for her good looks. Anyone who looked at her once would look at her again as is the natural reflex. At first when she finds herself amidst the sworn enemy of her family – the Singhs, she is terrified. But when she notices that Singhs don’t even look at her, she gets a bit surprised and upset too. She can’t understand why no one looks at her and why her beauty is no longer found attractive here. She is safely escorted back to her parents but before that she gets an opportunity to talk to Sardar Baghel Singh. He explains to her the high moral standards set by Guru Sahib. She gets very impressed hearing all this. Such was the character of Singhs. All this has been very beautifully captured by the superb writing of Sardar Sadhu Singh Hamdard the former editor of Punjabi Ajit in India. I read this when I was a child, in India.


Master Tara Singh and the English woman

An English woman wrote a very interesting incident concerning Master Tara Singh. Master Tara Singh was very young at that time and was travelling in train. Across from him was sitting a young English woman. She had been accustomed to attention from men but it’s written that she was impressed to see that not once did Master jee try to take a glance at her. Such was the high character of our leaders in the past.


Bau Mal Singh jee in Belgium

Bau Mal Singh jee, one of the closest companion of Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee was serving in 1st World War in Belgium. During the evening time, he was sitting on a bench when some women sat near him. The started conversing with him and at some point asked him if he liked them. They had other intentions for Bau jee but they did not know that Bau jee was not an ordinary person. He was a player of high spiritual states. Bau jee responded by saying that yes he liked them. They were very pleased to hear this. The next moment Bau jee said that he liked them like his sister and daughter. They were shocked to hear and fled uttering unintelligible utterings.


Sant Arjun Singh jee

Sant Arjun Singh jee was a companion of Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee. Sant jee was a very great soul. When Bhai Sahib was arrested, he too was arrested by police and they asked him if he knew Bhai Sahib. His response was very interesting. He said, “what to talk about me, the three worlds know Bhai Sahib”. The police released him after keeping him in detention for couple of days. He knew not what fear was. He worried not about anything. He stayed in the divine state of Naam all the time.

One day, he was submerged in the divine colours of Naam that he wandered unintentionally to that part of the city where flesh trade takes place. He was young and handsome and as is the custom of flesh trade bazaar, the working women there started calling and seducing him. At that point Sant jee got aware of his surroundings. He was not a normal person like Ajamal who was hit by Kaam when a young prostitute had just looked at him provocatively and this way lost his whole life to Kaam. Sant jee were very accomplished Gursikh and right away they were hit by immense bairaag. In full bairaag, they in their loud piercing voice started doing kirtan. Imagine what chaos would have occurred at this bazaar at the sight of a Sant doing kirtan. The hearts that were burning with the fire of Kaam were extinguished in an instant. The women who just a moment ago were trying to seduce Sant jee, fell at their feet. Their hearts were purified by the effect of Gurbani kirtan. They beseeched and they implored to him to save them from Kalyug. Sant jee stayed oblivious and when they continued their imploring, Sant jee freed themselve from them and hurriedly left the place by declaring that those will be saved who accept the amrit of Siri Dasmesh jee. Such was the character of Gursikhs of those times.


GURU NANAK SAHIB IN SRI LANKA

When Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaj went to Siri Lanka, to quench the thirst of Raja Shiv Nabh, they were put to rigorous testing by Raja Shiv Nabh. Raja Shiv Nabh longed for the darshan of Siri Guru Nanak Dev jee ever since he heard about them from Bhai Mansukh who was a Sikh of Guru Nanak Sahib.

Raja Shiv Nabh asked Bhai Mansukh, how he could meet Guru Nanak and asked for his address. Bhai Masukh replied saying that his Guru i.e. Guru Nanak Sahib is everywhere because he is one with Vaheguru. He told the Raja that all one had to do was call out Guru Nanak Dev jee and he would come to him.

Mansukh was a trader and had gone to Lanka on a business trip. There he got arrested by the king for not keeping fast (Ikadashi Varat). For his trial he was brought before the king and in his conversation, Bhai Mansukh told him about Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaaj. After hearing about Siri Guru jee, he started longing for his darshan.

Raja Shiv Nabh became a bairaagi, a diwaana, a shadaayee (crazy) of Guru Nanak Dev jee. Many imposters took advantage of the bairagi condition of the king and posed as Guru Nanak to decieve the king. The king as a result had become extremely paranoid about the sadhoos and holy men coming to him. He used to put them to rigorous testing before placing his faith in them. None of the holy men who came to see Shiv Nabh, passed this testing.

The hardest part of the testing was when beautiful women who were trained in the art of seducing men, seduced the sadhoos. They used to dress up in very revealing and provocative way. No one was able to resist them. The sadhoos who had stayed away from Kaam and had controlled it all their lives fell when they met these women. Many Sadhoos this way got humiliated and punished. The sadhoos were made to stay in the guest house designed specifically for this purpose for days. It is easy to withstand an attack from kaam if it comes directly but if one is seduced slowly and very subtly, then it can be very hard to resist.

Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaj too was put through this testing by Raja Shiv Nabh. They (the seducing women) came to Guru Nanak but as they came close to Satgur jee, they felt that their fire of kaam was being extinguished. They could not even attempt to seduce him. The odd ones who tried saw all their attempts failing in front of Guru Nanak. How could they seduce Guru Nanak Dev jee who himself is the kartaa (creater) of everyone? Guru Nanak himself had created these women into beautiful forms, then how could they seduce their creater? They failed. They not only failed but they fell at the lotus feet of Guru Nanak Dev jee. They felt that fire of their desires had been extinguished.

The women who used to come to seduce would come in disguise of welcoming the new sadhu. They would come and do aarti of the sadhus and then when they got a chance, they seduced the Sadhoos but when they came closer to Siri Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaaj and attempted to do his aarti and in seduce him, Siri Guru jee raised their hand and stopped them saying that aarti should only be done of one Akaal Purakh – Vaheguru. Then they told then women by addressing them as daughters, that the aarti of Vaheguru was already going on.

These women were professional seducers but after hearing preaching of Siri Guru jee, their fire of kaam got extinguished. At this time, Siri Guru jee sang out his famous shabad – GAACHHO, PUTREE RAAJ KUAAR || NAAM BHANO SACH, DOT SAVAAR||

Gachho means, go away. Siri Guru jee addressed them in the this pankiti as “Putree” meaning daughter and “Rajkuaar” meaning princess. Hearing such kind words from Siri guru jee, they were totally melted and felt great peace within themselves. It was greatness of Siri Guru jee to call women doing such detestable profession as daughters and princesses. These women had only known Kaam in their life. They did not know anything else. Merciful Siri Guru jee did kirpa on everyone he saw.

Then the Raja came to Guru Nanak Sahib and he came bare feet. He finally had met his beloved one. He asked Siri Guru jee a lot of questions and received all answers from Guru Sahib. The famous Praan Sanglee book that discusses in detail the difference between Gurmat and Yog-mat, is said to have been recorded at Lanka. The king – Shivnabh Singh was very interested in Hatha Yoga and for this reason Guru Sahib explained to the king in great detail the difference between Gurmat Yog and the Hath Yog practiced by the yogis.

Sidh-Gosht, a famous baani of Siri Guru Nanak Dev jee, written in Ramkali Raag, goes in great details explaining the differences between Yog Mat and Gur-Mat.


Gursikh living in the Dark Age of Kalyug in present time

Today also, there are Gursikhs both male and female, who are living in the Western countries but maintaining high standards of Gursikhi. Today’s it’s harder than past to keep good character because the storm of Kaam in Kalyug today is so strong and vigorous that the whole world today is driven by Kaam and is drowning in this ocean.

Gursikhs Bachay and Bachiyaan who are resisting pressures and keeping their characters clean are so much worthy that lowly persons like this daas should clean their feet and drink that water. I have mad respect for persons who are keeping their Sikhi and staying pure of 4 Bajjar Kurehits in this dark age of Kalyug.

On whom Guru Sahib themselves do kirpa, they can beat the 5 vices including Kaam. Those individuals who by the kirpa of Guru Sahib have been able to lead lives pure of Kaam related mistakes like fornication and adultery are blessed souls and deserve utmost reverence for this, irrespective of the religion they belong to.

Sorry for going off topic few times.

Daas,
Kulbir Singh



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Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: M Singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 06, 2008 03:48PM

Veer Kulbir Singh Ji has done a lot to make the point clear. Thanks a lot. I do agree with him at each point and with the initiator of this post. We can filter ideas for our benefit, to learn something good. But filteration itsel, diminishes the chance of getting inspiration.

The codes of good moral character are very well written in every religion; but the inspiration and strength for the modern man to follow them in the present age is really missing. Codes are nothing but dead wood, unless those are practicable. The dead mythological stories do not find match with the high-tech-men-women-equal society of present age. Young men and women may laugh on these silly ideas and standards of moral charcter. The story of Lakshman Ji (regarding Sita Ji); finds no significance for a man or woman, who has to go to the college or university to learn something from a respectable teacher or trainer of other gender.

I still maintain that all the characters of Sikh History and young Sikhs of Guru Nanak staying pure of Bajjar Kurehats living in Western countries are much better real ideals(as said by Kulbir Singh Ji) than the mythological characters of Hiduism with their outdated styles and presentations of morality.

Jaa Ka Thaker Oocha Hoi, So Jan Par Ghar Jaat Na Sohi.

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: Bhopinder Singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 06, 2008 05:15PM

he had to endure extreme seduction from the hands of Saroopnakha. Saroopnakha as her name tells was a very beautiful woman and she used many ways to seduce Lakshmana but failed.

Kulbir singh jeo

Itis a fact he cut her nose or may be it is symbolic of something else.Tat gurmat as you know cannot pick and choose,I mean Bhgat farid ji had a similiar incident and the response which is well known to you,I think that is what should be discussed here .

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: kulbir singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 06, 2008 05:25PM

Bhopinder Singh jeeo,

I think I made it clear in my post that it was a harsh thing for Lakshmana to cut off her nose. What more do you want me to write? His one avgun or mistake does not negate his other gunns or good qualities.

Veer M. Singh jeeo, I agree that characters of Sikhs make better examples for Sikhs.

Kulbir Singh



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Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: xzik101 (IP Logged)
Date: October 06, 2008 05:47PM

I remember Balwinder Singh Rangila telling a very famous story of Hari Singh Nalwa when he was in the NW frontier. The bravery of Hari Singh Nalwa was well known at the time amongst the Pathans. Once a Pathan woman came and said to Hari Singh Nalwa that she wants to marry him so she can have a son just like him. In response Hari Singh Nalwa said "If you want a son like me, then from now on you are my mother and I am your son".

I can't imagine anyone in today's world have such high moral values. But Sikhs of olden times had such high moral values.

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: Mehtab Singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 06, 2008 08:09PM

Actually Saroopankha disguised herself as a beautiful damsel and tried to seduce both Sri Ram and Sri Lakshman. When she found out that Sita Mai was the reason why she couldn't get Sri Ram, she came back to her original demon form and tried to devour Sita Mai, which is why Sri Lakshman cut off her ears and nose to save Sita Mai. It was done to save her life and not because Sri Lakshman had something personal against Saroopankha. Yes it was harsh and I am not condoning it in any way, just trying to explain why it was done.

If any of our close relative was in grave/mortal danger in front of our eyes, how many of us would think what is "harsh" and what is "acceptable" when we want to save their life, that too when it is a person who is a threat to their life? Sri Lakshman could have killed Saroopankha, but he didn't. If it was one of us, who knows if we would have taken the extreme step in order to save our loved one.

bhul chuk maaf

Mehtab Singh

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: Harcharan Singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 07, 2008 12:25AM

"it may seem that cutting the nose of Saroopnakha was a bit harsh thing to do for Lakshmana"

Ramayana is told in a higly poetic and artisic fashion - the above cold easily have been a metaphor for blackening ones face - smashing their pride.

 



Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: Sukhbir Singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 07, 2008 07:46AM

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

We all know that in Ramayana, Ram Chandhar's wife is kidnapped by Ravan and kept prisoner for many years. Ravan never touch Sita, showing that he was as man of good character unlike Lakshman who cut the nose the of Saaroopnakha. Ram organized the army of monkeys (vanarsana) and defeated Ravan. This is the major story of Ramayana. Ram is the major character of Ramayana. Ramayana says that he was the avtar of Vishu, and the secondary characters are Sita, Lakhsman, Hanuman, and Etc.

Khalsa Ji, Guru sahib ji said:

rovai raam nikaalaa bhaeiaa ||
seethaa lakhaman vishhurr gaeiaa ||

and

Raam raheem puran kuran anek kehhaa mat ek na maneyo ||


Our guru ji condems the teachings of raam and the character of raam is attached to maya. Since ram is the major character of Ramayana and has been condemed by guru ji, then why are we to take any teachings from the secondary characters such as Lakshman.

We should be looking at GURSIKHS from the past and present as role models with moral characteristics. If our history is fulled with Gursikhs with moral characteristics, why is there a need for us to look at those characters whose teachings were condemed by guru ji. Guru Granth Sahib teaches everyone

hi(n)dhoo a(n)nhaa thurakoo kaanaa ||


It is declared by guru granth sahib that Hinduism is the relgion of a blind man (who has no knowledge of god). Then what is the need that we as Sikhs are going to go these Annhaay (blind) people for moral characteristics. Guru ji condems moorti pooja, fasting, teerath, devi pooji, and etc.


Pyar Khalsa Ji, lets all remember the character of our Guru's and Gursikhs.

Dhan guru dhan guru payaray ||

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh



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Re: The high moral character of Sri Laxman Ji
Posted by: M Singh (IP Logged)
Date: October 07, 2008 11:17AM

As (xzik101) veer ji suggest Hari Singh Nalwa offered to be a son, to a lady who came to him; for marriage----------------------This character and the behaviour of Hari singh Ji is much more inspirational and practicable than the one in the story of Sri Laxman.

 
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