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Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Sunsingh (IP Logged)
Date: June 26, 2008 01:45PM

I have a question. Where did Bhai Randhir Singh ji write about naam dhrir as being the technique of simran that is taught during Amrit sanchar? Are you sure that he was not referring to the manifestation of Gurmantar which is given by the punj? Also, did he say that this technique had to be taught by the punj pyare?

I'm asking b/c the technique of simran commonly referred to as naam dhrir, I've read is written down in a granth written by Bhai Daya Singh ji and is taught openly. However, the granting of gurmantr can only be given by the Punj Pyare, the two things are different and I'd like to learn more about their history.

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Abhiyaasee (IP Logged)
Date: June 27, 2008 01:13AM

veere which granth was that? where did u find it?

If u found it in the net then could u possibly send the link please?
Because sant attar singh jee mastuane also wrote about it in their book.

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Anonymous User (IP Logged)
Date: June 27, 2008 10:29AM

Gurfateh

In all traditioanal Maryadas Panj Piayare till this day tell about Nam Abhyas/Nam Drih.Das has seen this thing in Nihungs also(but they in past had racial reservations perhaps or sometime Panj Piaras did not know about it).

Das thinks that Bhai Sahib Ji took it from the traditons of Nihungs and Bebcki are following thier tradition only and some time with more vigour.

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Sunsingh (IP Logged)
Date: June 27, 2008 11:57AM

I haven't found it online ji. But I've read that it was written down in one of his writings. The title was given but I don't recall it.

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Abhiyaasee (IP Logged)
Date: June 28, 2008 07:05AM

i understand why veere. that's totally alright.

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Sunsingh (IP Logged)
Date: June 28, 2008 12:21PM

vijaydeep0 Singh Wrote:
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> Gurfateh
>
> In all traditioanal Maryadas Panj Piayare till
> this day tell about Nam Abhyas/Nam Drih.Das has
> seen this thing in Nihungs also(but they in past
> had racial reservations perhaps or sometime Panj
> Piaras did not know about it).
>
> Das thinks that Bhai Sahib Ji took it from the
> traditons of Nihungs and Bebcki are following
> thier tradition only and some time with more
> vigour.

Thanks.

1. I'm wondering why they claim that only a few small jathas keep alive the maryada of Naam Dhrir?

It seems to me that this technique for how to do simran is fairly widely taught at the time of Amrit Sanchaar, although many times they do not call it Naam Dhrir.

2. I'm also wondering why AKJ say only the punj pyare can teach it when it's been openly taught by Mahapursh like Baba Attar Singh ji and Baba Waryam Singh ji.

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Anonymous User (IP Logged)
Date: June 29, 2008 05:06AM

Gurfateh

Das is an outsider but based upon observation das could put it in this way.
1.They feel that they are the most zealot with beebeck so they are the choosen few.Das thinks that this is OK up to some extent.
2.Instead of one Gurudev Singh as it use to happen in past with Sanatan Singhs,they say Panj Piaras bestowing NamDrir is more in fact is,respect to Guru Panth represented by Panj Piaras.

But das does feels by himslef that true Khalsa is form of Guru so single Khalsa say like Prof Sahib Singh Ji of some other idealogy also are form of Guru.

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Khalsaspirit (IP Logged)
Date: June 30, 2008 07:27AM

Waheguru ji ki khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Khalsa jio,

Why naam drirrta thru Panj piyare only read this incident of Bhai Sahib:

...ਸੱਚ ਮੁੱਚ ਗੁਰੂ ਦਰਸਾਇਆ, ਗੁਰੂ ਦ੍ਰਿੜ੍ਹਾਇਆ, ਗੁਰੂ ਸਰੂਪ ਪੰਜਾਂ ਪਿਆਰਿਆਂ ਦਵਾਰਾ ਬਖ਼ਸ਼ਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਨਾਮ ਹੀ ਫਲੀਭੂਤ ਹੋਣਾ ਹੈ, ਐਵੇਂ ਆਪ-ਹੁਦਰੇ ਹੀ ਬਿਨਾਂ ਗੁਰਦੀਖਿਆ ਮਿਲੀ ਤੇ ਨਾਮ ਕਦੇ ਭੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਨੂੰ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੋਣਾ। ਮੋਖ-ਮੁਕਤਿ ਮਈ ਕਲਿਆਨ-ਕਾਰਕ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਮ ਤਿਸੇ ਵਡਭਾਗੇ ਗੁਰਮੁਖ ਜਨ ਦੇ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ਤ ਹੋਣਾ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਧੁਰ ਦਰਗਾਹੋਂ ਨਾਮ-ਵਡਿਆਈ ਦੀ ਸੱਚੀ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਦਵਾਰਿਉਂ ਦੀਖਿਅਤ ਹੋ ਚੁਕੀ ਹੋਵੇ। ਕਿਸੇ ਭੀ ਇੱਕ ਇਕੱਲੇ ਪੁਰਸ਼ ਨੂੰ ਨਾਮ ਦੇਣ ਦਾ ਹੁਕਮ ਨਹੀਂ, ਨਾਮ ਦ੍ਰਿੜ੍ਹ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ ਕੇਵਲ ਗੁਰੂ ਮਈ ਪੰਜਾਂ ਪਿਆਰਿਆਂ ਦੀ ਦੀਖਸ਼ਤ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਦੁਆਰਾ ਹੀ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਇਸ ਗੱਲ ਦੀ ਪ੍ਰੋੜ੍ਹਤਾ ਇਸ ਦਾਸਰੇ ਨੂੰ ਗਹਿ ਕਰਕੇ ਓਦੋਂ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਹੋਈ (ਜਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਕਿ ਦਾਸ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਅਪਾਰ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰਕੇ ਸਮਝਦਾ ਹੈ) ਕਿ ਇਕ ਵਾਰ ਅਸੀਂ ਕਸ਼ਮੀਰ ਤੋਂ ਕਾਰ ਵਿਚ ਆ ਰਹੇ ਸੀ ਅਤੇ ਸੱਚੀ ਕਾਰੇ ਲੱਗਣ ਲਈ ਕਿਤੇ ਵੱਲ ਜਾ ਰਹੇ ਸਾਂ, ਕਿ ਰਾਹ ਵਿਚ ਸਾਡੀ ਕਾਰ ਨੂੰ ਸਰਦਾਰ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਘੇਰ ਕੇ ਖੜ੍ਹ ਗਿਆ ਤੇ ਅੜ ਗਿਆ ਏਸ ਗੱਲ ਤੇ ਕਿ ਮੈਂ ਕਾਰ ਤਦ ਲੰਘਣ ਦੇਣੀ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਜਦ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਆਪਣੀ ਜ਼ਬਾਨੀ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਇਹ ਗੱਲ ਦ੍ਰਿੜ੍ਹਾ ਦੇਵੋਗੇ ਕਿ ਉਹ ਕਿਹੜਾ ਨਾਮ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਜਪਣ ਦਾ ਹੁਕਮ ਹੈ। ਮੈਂ ਉਸ ਪ੍ਰੇਮੀ ਨੂੰ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ-

ਗਿਆਨੁ ਨ ਗਲੀਈ ਢੂਢੀਐ ਕਥਨਾ ਕਰੜਾ ਸਾਰੁ॥੨॥(੪)
ਮ: ੧, ਆਸਾ ਦੀ ਵਾਰ, ਪੰਨਾ ੪੬੫

ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਬੜੀ ਕਰੜੀ ਕਾਰ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਸਾਰ ਭਗਤੀ ਇਹੋ ਹੀ ਹੈ। ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਨਿਰੀ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਵਾਲੀ ਬਜ਼ਾਰੀ ਖੇਡ ਬਣਾਉਣੀ ਠੀਕ ਨਹੀਂ। ਨਾ ਹੀ ਇਕੱਲੇ ਸਿੱਖ ਨੂੰ ਨਾਮ ਦੱਸਣਾ ਯੋਗ ਹੈ। ਇਹ ਤਾਂ ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਜਾਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਰੂਪ ਪੰਜਾਂ ਪਿਆਰਿਆਂ ਦੀ ਦ੍ਰਿੜ੍ਹਾਈ ਹੋਈ ਹੀ ਫਲੀਭੂਤ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ, ਐਵੇਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੁੰਦੀ। ਤੁਸੀਂ ਜਾਵੋ ਸਾਡਾ ਖਹਿੜਾ ਛਡੋ। ਅਸੀਂ ਨਾਮ ਤੁਹਾਨੂੰ ਨਹੀਂ ਦੱਸਣਾ, ਨਾ ਹੀ ਦੱਸਣ ਦਾ ਹੁਕਮ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਇਕ ਇਕੱਲੇ ਗੁਰਸਿਖ ਨੂੰ। ਉਹ ਸਰਦਾਰ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਅਜੀਬ ਰਟ ਵਿਚ ਇਉਂ ਰਟਣ ਲਗ ਪਿਆ ਕਿ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਤਾਂ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਟਾਲਦੇ ਹੋ। ਚੰਗਾ ਟਾਲ ਛੱਡੋ, ਪਰ ਮੈਂ ਤੁਹਾਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਗੱਲ ਦਸ ਦੇਵਾਂ ਕਿ ਇਕ ਦਿਨ ਪੰਥ ਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਸਿੱਧ ਮੁਖੀਏ ਨਾਲ ਮੈਂ ਸੁਤੇ-ਸੁਭਾਵ ਹੀ ਸੈਰ ਕਰਦਾ ਫਿਰਦਾ ਸੀ ਕਿ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਨੇ ਮੇਰੇ ਪੁਛਣ ਤੇ ਫ਼ੋਰਨ ਹੀ ਨਾਮ ਦੱਸ ਦਿਤਾ। ਮੈਂ ਸਰਦਾਰ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਨੂੰ ਤੁਰਤ ਫੁਰਤ ਹੀ ਉਤਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਕਿ ਏਸ ਗੱਲ ਦਾ ਪੱਕਾ ਸਬੂਤ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਇਕੱਲੇ ਸਿਖ ਦਾ ਦਸਿਆ ਤੇ ਦਿਤਾ ਨਾਮ (ਚਾਹੇ ਕਿਤਨਾ ਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਸਿਧ ਹੋਵੇ) ਕਦੇ ਭੀ ਦ੍ਰਿੜ੍ਹ ਨਹੀ ਹੋ ਸਕਦਾ। ਜੇਕਰ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ ਦ੍ਰਿੜ੍ਹ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਤਾਂ ਅਜ ਮੇਰੇ ਪਾਸੋਂ ਆ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਨਾ ਪੁਛਦੇ। ਆਪ ਦੇ ਕਥਨ ਨੇ ਸਾਫ਼ ਸਿਧ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਕਿ ਨਾਮ ਜਦੋਂ ਭੀ ਦ੍ਰਿੜ੍ਹ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਅਥਵਾ ਗ੍ਰੁਰੂ ਰੂਪ ਪੰਜਾਂ ਪਿਆਰਿਆਂ ਦੀ ਦੀਖਿਆ ਦੁਆਰਾ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਇਕ ਇਕੱਲੇ ਦਾ ਦਸਿਆ ਨਾਮ ਕਦੇ ਦ੍ਰਿੜ੍ਹ ਨਹੀ ਹੁੰਦਾ। ਸਰਦਾਰ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਬੜਾ ਹੀ ਛਿੱਥਾ ਪਿਆ। ਤੇ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਇਕੱਲਾ ਦੱਸਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਗੁਰਮੁਖ ਜਨ ਬਹੁਤ ਹੀ ਛਿੱਥਾ ਪਿਆ ਹੋਣਾ ਹੈ। ਤਾਂ ਤੇ ਸਪੱਸ਼ਟ ਸਿਧ ਹੋਇਆ ਕਿ ਉਹੀ ਨਾਮ ਦ੍ਰਿੜ੍ਹ ਤੇ ਫਲੀਭੂਤ ਹੋ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ ਜਿਸਨੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ ਦਵਾਰਾ ਜਾਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਰੂਪ ਪੰਜਾਂ ਪਿਆਰਿਆਂ ਦਵਾਰਾ ਦੀਖਸ਼ਾਇਆ ਜਾਵੇ। ਤਾਂ ਤੇ ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਅਤਿਅੰਤ ਅਕੱਥਨੀਯ ਹੈ।
ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਸਿਧਾਂਤ-ਇਹ ਸਿੱਧ ਹੋਇਆ ਕਿ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਮਈ ਗੁਰੂ-ਦੀਖਿਆ ਧੁਰੋਂ ਆਏ ਅਤੇ ਧੁਰੋਂ ਪਠਾਏ ਨਾਮ ਦਵਾਰਾ ਜੋਤਿ-ਪ੍ਰਜ੍ਵਲਤ ਅਹਿਸਾਸ ਕੇਵਲ ਗੁਰਦੀਖਿਆ ਦਵਾਰਾ ਦ੍ਰਿੜ੍ਹਾਇਆ, ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਦਰਗਾਹ ਤੋਂ ਆਇਆ ਗੁਰਮੰਤਰ ਰੂਪੀ ਨਾਮ, ਆਪਣੀ ਜੋਤਿ-ਕਲਾ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਾਉਣੋਂ ਕਦੇ ਭੀ ਆਲ੍ਹਾ ਨਹੀ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ, ਪਰ ਸ਼ਰਤਾਂ ਇਹ ਹਨ :-

(੧) ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਰੂਪ ਪੰਜਾਂ ਪਿਆਰਿਆਂ ਦਵਾਰਾ ਦ੍ਰਿੜ੍ਹਾਇਆ ਗਿਆ ਕਦੇ ਵੀ ਆਪਣੇ ਨਿਸ਼ਾਨੇ ਤੋਂ ਖ਼ਾਲੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾਂਦਾ।
(੨) ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ-ਪਹਾਰੇ ਉਚਾਰਨ, ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਨੂੰ ਕਦੇ ਵੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਘਟਾ ਸਕਦਾ। ਜਿਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਨਾਮ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੋਇਆ, ਉਹ ਲੋਕ ਦੇਖਾ-ਦੇਖੀ ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ ਭਗਤ ਜਣਾਉਣ ਲਈ ਉਂਜ ਤਾਂ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਨੂੰ ਜਿਹਵਾ ਤੋਂ ਉਚਾਰਨ ਕਰਦੇ ਰਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ ਪਰ ਅੰਦਰੋਂ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦਾ ਨਿਸਚਾ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਤੇ ਉੱਕਾ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੁੰਦਾ।...

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Guru Mehar Karay

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: akal sahai (IP Logged)
Date: June 30, 2008 01:40PM

and in english.........

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Sunsingh (IP Logged)
Date: July 05, 2008 02:40PM

Thanks for the post.

Why does AKJ claim that only AKJ (and a few other jathas) give Naam Dhrir when every single jatha actually gives Gurmantar during Amrit Sanchaar? (although they often do not label it as Naam Dhrir).

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: khalistan_zindabaad (IP Logged)
Date: July 05, 2008 04:22PM

Its true, i remember bein present in an taksal vidiarthi organised amrit sanchaar where the panj pyare stated we are going to give you naam then said naam drid and explained technique of swaas swaas simran.

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Sunsingh (IP Logged)
Date: July 08, 2008 11:46AM

could I please get an answer to my question?:

Why does AKJ claim that only AKJ (and a few other jathas) give Naam Dhrir when every single jatha actually gives Gurmantar during Amrit Sanchaar? (although they often do not label it as Naam Dhrir).

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Khalsaspirit (IP Logged)
Date: July 08, 2008 01:55PM

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Sunsingh jio,

The best answer can be driven from Bhai Sahib's incident mentioned above. If someone were given the NAAM DRIRRH then he or she would not be asking about it again. Having said that Guru Piyaray jio if you were given the same then you would not be asking that again and again. Hence it shows that the person who is questioning about naam drrirh is the one who either not received it or not practicing it (not doing abhiyaas) and usually earlier is the case.

Guru Mehar Karay

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Sunsingh (IP Logged)
Date: July 08, 2008 04:53PM

Actually, I know what Naam Dhrird is. And I have received Gurmantr. And you still have not answered my question ji.

Every jatha gives Gurmantar naam. Every jatha's punj teach how to do simran.
So why do AKJ claim that only AKJ (and a few other smaller jathas) give Naam Dhrird?

Gurmantar is different from the method used to jap naam.

Gurmantar (often referred to as Naam) is something which can only be granted by the Punj Pyare and none other. Every Punj Pyare of every jatha grant Gurmantar.

The punj are also supposed to teach how to do simran. Some call this teaching of a particular simran method naam dhridh while others call the giving of Gurmantar Naam Drirdh. A lot of people claiming to believe in Naam Drirdh are very confused as to what exactly it is. Every jatha teaches this sass girass method of simran (which is sometimes called naam dhridh), however, they very often do not use the label of naam dridh for it.

Sometimes the punj do not teach how to do simran (although they should). This however, does not mean that you need to get amritchuk again, and you do not need to see the punj to learn a method of doing simran. It is not written down anywhere that this is required, nor is there any seena-baseena rahit recognised by any samprada or mahapursh that it must be taught only by punj. (Gurmantr of course is always given by punj).

There is no one best method of simran. After doing much vichaar on this issue I've learned that mahapursh may teach one student to do one method of simran, and they teach another student another method of simran. Similar to how a doctor gives a medication for the ailment of one patient, and for another patient who is suffering differently they give a different medication. Once again I emphasize that Gurmantar is different from methods of doing simran, and Gurmantar is only given by the punj pyare, whereas methods of doing simran can be taught by others.

In Guru Granth Sahib ji different methods for doing simran have been described. Mahapurks over the ages have also taught various simran methods to the sangat.
For example, this is the saas-girass method of simran: [www.youtube.com].
Bhai Raghbir Singh Bir, in Bandginama, talks about this practice, he says, “When you say Vah you breathe in and when you say Guroo you breathe out”
Another example, Baba Juala Singh ji taught Baba Jagjit Singh ji's father a method of simran that is different from the technique taught in Naam Dhrird. This was written in a book by Baba Jagjit Singh ji.

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Sunsingh (IP Logged)
Date: July 10, 2008 01:54PM

No samprada considers Naam Dhrir (which is actually a method of imparting a simran technique) to be a requirement. I have heard from Baba Thakur Singh ji Bhindrenwaley and Baba Jagjit Singh ji Harkhowal that Naam Dhrir is not required. Baba Nihal Singh ji of Harien Valan also states that it is not required. There is no credible puratan source of information nor is there any Gurbani that states that it is required.

This method of simran taught in Naam Dhrirdh is not the only method of simran, nor is it necessarily the best method. Guru Granth Sahib ji has other methods of simran listed in it. These methods clearly require someone to be somewhat advanced before they are even capable of using this vidhi, which proves that Naam Dhrir is not the sole ''best'' method of simran. Nor is there any guarantee of the fastest advancement with Naam Dhrir.

In the end, there simply is no evidence to back up the claims that some make regarding this practice, nor are many of these claims true.

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: javab_deyo (IP Logged)
Date: July 10, 2008 05:45PM

veerji is ur post here to clarify your doubts or to slander??

sorry if i offended but your last post's tone wasnt in good taste.

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Anonymous User (IP Logged)
Date: July 11, 2008 01:31AM

Gurfateh

for them (AKJ) if Naam Drirh is deemed the best then as an outsider we should respect thier views.Akal Bless.

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: ... (IP Logged)
Date: July 11, 2008 01:35AM

Quote:
Guru Granth Sahib ji has other methods of simran listed in it.
veerji, please be a bit more careful about the language you use.

if we spent more time actually doing simran, than sitting around talking about doing simran then maybe we wouldn't be in this position.

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Japnaam Singh (IP Logged)
Date: July 11, 2008 05:41PM

Sun Singh,

I don't understand the point of your posts.

Your agenda appears to be to suggest that we should learn how to do Simran from Sants as if learning from the Punj Pyareh is somehow an unsafe method.

The fact of the matter is that learning how to do simran from a sant is an inherently inferior and problematic way to go about experiencing naam.

Learning from the Punj Pyareh, who represent the light of Guru Sahib is always going to be a superior way of going about learning how best to Jap Naam.

This is not to say that other Gursikhs who meditate on the Gurmanter will bear no fruit.... I'm actually quite certain that they'll still bear significant fruit. But the best method (that is imparted by Guru Sahib) is still the best method.

 



Re: Question on Naam Dhrir
Posted by: Sunsingh (IP Logged)
Date: July 11, 2008 10:55PM

Perhaps I should have better considered the tone of that post. For anyone whose feelings are hurt or who are offended, I humbly apologize.

 
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