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Parchaar Strategies-Radhasoami Vs Sikhi
Posted by : Kulbir Singh
Date: 7/27/2004 4:58 pm

Radhasoamis are a different religion from Sikhi and the only time we have problem with them is when they use Gurbani to promote their ideology and when they insist that their dehdhari Guru is the real Guru and Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee cannot be a Guru since it is not a human Guru.

I came across this article accidently and after reading it I felt so ashamed and embarrassed that our Sikh organisations are so oblivious of what other faiths are doing to promote their faiths. All we know how to do is fighting with our own brothers and sisters. All our energy is wasted on infighting, which is a shame. Our brothers spend all their energy wasting in opposing other Sikh organisations. Our Sikh organisations that have money have become very bureaucratic and are corrupted. Nearly not enough being done to promote Sikhi. Let alone doing parchaar outside of Punjab, we are losing Sikhi right in Punjab.

Can we learn something from the article below?

Can we do something like this in Punjab?

Kulbir Singh

Radhasoamis come to Rescue

No one can forget the tragedy that devastated thousands in the Bhuj earthquake of January 26 this year. Almost 16,000 were killed and 50,000 trapped. The nation was shaken up, Republic Day celebrations were cancelled and the whole country rose as one to help Gujarat cope with the grief. Core groups were set up to monitor and coordinate relief operations. It was a sorry sight at hospitals. Communications had become a problem. Not only did the victims need monetary support but moral support as well.

Several NGOs offered help. One such was the Radhasoami Satsang, Beas (RSSB). The RSSB approached former chief minister Keshubhai Patel to build new villages. But the locals were reluctant as they didn’t want to be dislocated from their original homes. The RSSB then proposed to build schools which the chief minister accepted. Under the leadership of the present Master, Gurinder Singh Dhillon, RSSB, this huge project was undertaken.

The Master put forward three conditions:

* RSSB will work in an area where no other organisation is willing to take up rehabilitation work.

* No compensation would be accepted. (All other NGOs were given 50 per cent of the total cost)

* No publicity.

Based on this the RSSB took up the exercise of building 91 schools in Taluka Santhalpur, Dist Pattan. The education department offered the use of the Block Research Centre at Virahi, (a training centre for school teachers of Gujarat), to set up base camps. The project work began on May 1.

The planning of schools was made by RSSB engineers, submitted and approved by the department of Roads and Buildings. A precast factory was put up at Chandkheda, at the premises of RSSB at Ahmedabad. Here ferro cement curved sheets for roofing, precast columns, gutters, interlock tiles for flooring , cement poles for fencing, were produced and transported to Santhalpur.
Seven hundred sewadars worked daily for 16 hours to meet deadlines at Chandkheda. All MS doors and windows were fabricated at their headquarters in Punjab and sent to Santhalpur.

Each school has a minimum of three classrooms, 6,000 metres (one and a half acre) of land, so that a playground can also be accomodated. Amenities like separate toilets for boys and girls, sintex tanks for drinking water etc, complete with all electrical fittings and fans have been provided. The size of each classroom is 15 feet x 24 feet.

Members of the Radhasoami Satsang, Beas hard at work building a school in the devastated areas of Bhuj in Gujarat

The structures constructed are earthquake resistant, with ferro cement curve roofing and interlock tiles. The schools have been internally and externally painted with cement paint. Except for the land, everything else was taken care of by RSSB.

The climatic and living conditions in Santhalpur, like the scorching heat drove most NGOs away. At RSSB, no paid labour was employed. Right from the architects, engineers, doctors, helpers, plumbers, masons, truck drivers, all were sevadars. Project work at one time was on, simultaneously in 35 villages .

Every morning at 7 am the sewadars were taken to different sites and returned only by 11 pm. Round the clock langar arrangements (free meals, snacks, tea, milk etc) were made for the sewadars. All the sewadars from different walks of life are treated alike. The sewadars say it was great fun and an experience of a lifetime to be involved in such a project.

Most of them are thankful to their Master for giving them this opportunity to be of assistance to their fellowbeings.

Seva makes you humble and brings about humility. Two thousand sewadars worked on this project at Santhalpur. The project which was scheduled to be completed by March 2002, was completed by October 31, 2001 with the Grace of Master.

Instead of 91, as orignially planned, 73 schools were built, as some of the neighbouring schools were clubbed together because of the short distance between the villages. Sewadars of Gujarat, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan participated in this sewa.
Re: Parchaar Strategies-Radhasoami Vs Sikhi
Posted by : !!
Date: 7/28/2004 7:59 am

yes my friend indeed we should grow wiser and not waste our times criticising others (like radhasoamiis etc) as the gurbani says

"Ninda bhali kisey ki nahin"

But at the same time we the sikhs shouldnt sit idle but try and measure ourselves against the expectations of our guru.

Guru who ???

Re: Parchaar Strategies-Radhasoami Vs Sikhi
Posted by : simple sikh
Date: 7/28/2004 9:33 am

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki fateh!

I suppose one of the things we can learn from the original article is..


A sense of the above begins to increase if seva is done in the right spirit and correct frame of mind, one of selflessly serving the Satguru, Akaal Purkh. Be it in the shape of Sangat, nature, humankind).

satgur sayv man nirmalaa ha-umai taj vikaar.
Serving the True Guru, the mind becomes immaculate and pure; egotism and corruption are discarded.
Page34 Line 9 Raag Sriraag: Guru Amar Das ji

If an increase of ego (haumai) is experienced whilst doing seva, which is very easy, then just remember it is Akaal Purkh who is also doing the seva and not us. If re-iterated each time, this should help keep one grounded.

Increasing humility decreases and aids in getting rid of hankaar (pride) and haumai (ego or sense of I-ness), which is vital, why?...

ha-umai maar ayk liv laagee antar naam vasaa-i-aa.
Conquering my ego, I am lovingly focused on the One Lord; the Naam has come to dwell within me.
Page86 Line 19 Raag Sriraag: Guru Amar Das ji

"we need seva, seva doesn't need us"

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Re: Parchaar Strategies-Radhasoami Vs Sikhi
Posted by : Jarnail Singh Arshi Gyani
Date: 7/28/2004 10:41 am

Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki fateh.

absolutely right veero. Isnt it a sad commentary on us that after the excellent examples by Guru Arjun and Guru harKrishan Ji....followed by Bhai Khaniyah Ji...we managed to produce only ONE SOLE BHAGAT POORAN SINGH of Pingalwara......and no one after his demise.

We have literally thousands of Deras doing "parchaar"....SGPC running so many historical gurdarawas etc......but apart from a sant seechawal who is rehabilitaing the River Veein in Sultanpur ( environmental issue)...i have never heard of any effort at seva on the lines of Pingalwara by anyone else..and even the pingalwara is struggling for funds while we have overflowing golaks... clearly we have lost direction as Veer Kulbir singh ji says.

We need to get right back on the tracks...SEWA SIMRAN.... our Gurus were Nation Builders...setting up towns, digging wells, making sarovars, baolis, caring for the sick and dying during epidemics, caring for lepers and social outcasts..... TODAY we are ONLY into BUILDING bigger and bigger Marble GURDWARAS...and then fighting for control of their golak..... NO Schools, NO hospitals, No pingalwaras, No children's old folks homes...no medicines distribution for AIDS etc..

Dass jarnail Singh
Re: Parchaar Strategies-Radhasoami Vs Sikhi
Posted by : MS
Date: 7/28/2004 4:43 pm

Just to add,

I know a prominant radaswami preacher and some of the things that have come to light:

when reading gurbani they do not need to cover heads or take of shoes or wash hands

their guru also claims 2 be the guru of the sikhs

they also disrespect the saroop of sri guru granth sahib jee

they also maniupulate gurbani to suit their own needs, e.g. accepting shabd as guru.

however they r quite knowledgeable about bani and know alot of abstract sikhi concepts by which they can minipulate the very sheepish and maluable individuals who follow them.
Re: Parchaar Strategies-Radhasoami Vs Sikhi
Posted by : Jarnail Singh Arshi Gyani
Date: 7/29/2004 6:27 am

Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa waheguru ji ki afteh.

They are "anti-Sikhs_ in POORAN GURSIKHI STYLE...with handsome white dastaar, long flowing dharas and such.....

They DISRESPECT "GURBANI" as much as anyone posibly can... They TWIST and TURN the meanings of Gurbani to MEAN themsleves...this is no different from the so called "SANTS/MAHAPURASHS" who are still in Sikhi...who Jump on this Radhasoami bandwagon by Claiming that ALL the SANT/S mentioned in GURBANI are references to THEMSELVES since they are called SANT so and so...so the entire SANT Ashtpadi in Sukhmani sahib is about them....... so whenever the word "guru" Sacha patshah, Satgur etc occurs in Gurbani...the Radhasoami "guru" "sacha patshah, "satgur" "maharaj" says that REFERS to HIM..

They are not true "gurus" or they would write their own Gurbani....but they are not so they take the easy way out by PLAGIRISING our Guru's work as their own..

They have spent a considerable amount of time "analysing" gurbani so as to twist it to theri meanings....in this way they can use gurbani to trick gullible sikhs to follow them....and at the same time use our gurbani to win converts among the goras etc...

Due to SGPC failure, the sikhs have failed to do GOOD and Correct Parchaar of Gurbani to expose the falsehoods of these dehdhari gurus and now we are committing the same mistake witht he dera sants...who are mushrooming all over the place as dehdhari "sants"...later to graduate to "guru"....

However we Sikhs need to stop crying over spilt milk...and rethink our strategy and DO PARCHAAR and SEWA to counter these people and win back our siksh who are tricked. Whatever they do we should do better...

In Malaysia the sikhs protested and prevented the dehdhari radhasoami guru gs dhillon from staging a public rally.....pressure forced him to hold a secret private meeting in a small hall. Most of the RS are individuals and hold some positions in gurdawaras...by not being outwardly aggressive..

dass jarnail Singh
Re: Parchaar Strategies-Radhasoami Vs Sikhi
Posted by : JSS
Date: 7/29/2004 7:17 am

Jarnail Singh veerji....

although it looks as if most sikhs do not do any seva today....it's not 100 percent accurate to say that Bhagat Pooran Singh ji as the only one.....there are many Gursikhs who have done a lot for the Khalsa panth, who continue to work hard in spreading sikhi and spread Nanak love in the world...it is through these gurmukhs that daas was inspired to start living sikhi...
these gurmukhs perform various sevas...preaching, organizing samagams and conferences, organizing camps for kids, volunteering their time helping homeless people, ...i even know of a doctor in india who has his own hospital making millions and every weekend he goes to gurdwara where he offers his services free to all... and there are many others like him

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
Re: Parchaar Strategies-Radhasoami Vs Sikhi
Posted by : Singh10
Date: 7/29/2004 5:53 pm

Radhas are one of those things that last for 4 days. I think the best strategy is to target the individual rather than look to increase number. Whereever Guru Nanak went, they did bhalla of the people, they didn't look to make a big following. All sikhs should know that amrit is essential; and for their own bhalla they should be taught about amritdhari lifestyle.

One can only teach about amritdhari lifestyle if they themself live that way.
One that is adol (won't fall), a sant, like Bhai Sahib Mani Singh had their limbs cut and remained adol; sants like that have the most influence, regardless if they live in a dera or in a house.
Re: Parchaar Strategies-Radhasoami Vs Sikhi
Posted by : Jarnail Singh Arshi gyani
Date: 7/31/2004 9:02 am

Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki fateh.

Dear JSS veer Ji,

It is impossible for a mere "human" like me to be 100% "correct" !! I write only as much as or as little as i know.

Of course there are many many Panth de heereh doing a lot of parchaar, sewa, simran, amrit sanchaars, etc etc...and each is doing according to his smaratha and in Guru Ji's Will. I mean to belittle no one...simply because i am myself not doing that much ..... Although it may not be so obvious..the Sikhi of Guru Nanak is spreading and there are a lot of good gursikh examples out there...

Thank You for your beautiful thoughts..

Dass Jarnail Singh