ARCHIVED FORUM: Gurdwara Tapoban Sahib
Nitnem
Posted by : uk singh
Date: 7/09/2004 9:53 am
Is the morning Nitnem need to be read in any particular order? if someone does not have Jap Sahib memorised (khant), can this be done later from a Gutka..for eg if one is getting ready for work and has the other 4 Gurbanian in memory can they recite these first?
Re: Nitnem
Posted by : singh
Date: 7/09/2004 11:04 am
I've always heard from Singhs that nitnem should be done in the order it was read in amrit sinchaar, so doing jaap sahib in sequence seems the right thing to do.
Re: Nitnem
Posted by : Mkhalsa
Date: 7/09/2004 3:35 pm
yeah, most of the youth these days do nitnem out of order, some even do japji sahib in the morning "so they can eat" do another bani sometime before lunch, do another bani after lunch, do another before rehras. If you cant keep amritvela, the least you can do is to do your bani together IN ORDER in the morning (some time before noon!)
the order is very important. and so is actually paying attention to it, not mumbling it out like a madman mumbling to himself. you dont even hear the bani, its not understood, then the youth complain that they dont get anything out of it. spend an hour - hour and a half to do your panj baniya. pronounce every word carefully, concentrate on it. you will get the ras.
Re: Nitnem
Posted by : noone
Date: 7/09/2004 7:10 pm
why is the order so important?
is it because it was recited that way in the amrit sanchaar?
Re: Nitnem
Posted by : Mkhalsa
Date: 7/09/2004 8:09 pm
there is a reason for it, oh man i wish I had saved it. it was either here or on akj.org where someone explained the beauty of the banis. I only remember a few things. After doing japji sahib we move on to doing ustat of akal purakh and saying greeting of the morning to him, after that i forget about svaiye and after that we ask guru sahib to help us fight off our enemies and be victorious this day (chaupai) and then after, at the end we talk about the anand we have experienced while reciting our nitnem etc.
Re: Nitnem
Posted by : star
Date: 7/10/2004 1:54 am
Yeh, i remember reading that post. I think Taljman Singh posted it, but i am not too sure :-s
Re: Nitnem
Posted by : LostPrincess
Date: 7/10/2004 3:53 am
yes, I think that Gurbani should be read and understood in the right order. That's the way it was instructed by Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh jee. It is his hukam and we must follow it.
Our youth today, including myself, reads Gurubani without even trying to understand what is being read. It makes it seem like we are counting upto a 100 just because we have it memorized. Guru Sahib has given us such teachings that clean our lives, why wouldn't we understand those teachings and apply them to our lives? I have always as a kid asked my mom "you tell me to read Japji Sahib da phaat, what if I don't understand what I am reading?, but she replies with "Read it anyways" But I always felt this was beadi. Bani Guru, Guru hai Bani|| How can beadbi be done to the Guru in this way? I think that with the WILL to respect and understand Gurbani when we are reading it, we can gain the real ras that should be gained.
Our lips would be reciting "IK Onkar, Satnam" , while our minds would be thinking about having pancakes for breakfast. The is all maya. The 5 chor get inside us so fast, and we don't even realize. But I think that with the WILL, and I repeat with the WILL to concentrate and understand Gurbani with pyaar, and the WILL to apply what we read into our lives, the true ras can be achieved. While reading Gurbani, lets stop worrying about the people around us, the food we eat, yesterdays failures and success, tomorows plans. And let's have the will to try reading Gurbani with concentration.
Dhan Dhan Satgur :)
Bhul chuk muaaf
Waheguru jee ka khalsa Waheguru jee ki fateh!
Re: Nitnem
Posted by : jagjitsingh
Date: 7/10/2004 4:17 am
waheguru ji ke khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh
Pyare jio, it is very important that nitnem is done in order. It is important a person gets out of the habit of rushing while doing nitnem. The idea is to get up early, and experience the peace of Amritvela.
After a few hours of simran, the mind should be full of Anand and Rass.
Then you begin the process creating Amrit inside you again, as you experinced in the Amrit Sanchaar. First you read Japji Sahib where Sahib Siri Guru Nanak dev Ji tells about Akal, and how to find God within us and around us. Then we read Jaap Sahib ji, where Sahib Siri Guru Gobind Singh ji, describes to us in an extra-ordinary way, the vision and virtues of Akal. Then we read Tav prasad swaiya, where Guru Ji tells he has seen the whole creation, and this is the way. Then we do ardas with Sahib Siri Guru Gobind Singh ji in the form of Chaupai sahib. When we reach this stage we should be full of Rass, and reaching a state of Anand. We experience this with Sahib Siri Guru Amar das ji, in his description what Anand is, and what we should do with our senses to remain in that state for the rest of the day and beyond.
In this process we create Amrit inside us again as we experienced when we were blessed Amrit in the Amrit Sanchaar.
We often call ourselves Amritdhari, but truely only those are real Amritdharis who create Amrit within themselves everyday and experience and live Sikhi in this practical way.
By rushing Amrit vela banis, by getting up late, or doing them them in stages during the day, then we are not doing ourselves justice. It is important to create a routine to ensure the important things in life get proirity. It is easy, just get yourself in the habit of going to sleep at 9pm, and you easily get up for amrit vela. But if we are sleeping late, then Amrit vela becomes impossible.
Once we develop this routine, we will reap the benefits, and then you will find yourselves also doing other banis, such as Shabad hazare, or Asa Di Var, or Sukhmani sahib, etc, etc, etc.
Waheguru ji ke khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh
Re: Nitnem
Posted by : Mkhalsa
Date: 7/10/2004 5:41 pm
maybe if some sevak can find it...
Re: Nitnem
Posted by : Jarnail Singh Arshi Gyani
Date: 7/10/2004 6:19 pm
Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki fateh.
IMHO Veer MKhalsa has got it irght. The ORDER is very important and not "just because Guru Ji did it that way" ( BTW A SINGH should be proud of doing things exactly the way His Father did it just because His father did it ...especially a Father like Dasmesh Pita Ji who sacrificed "everything" FOR US )
There is a sequence - First Japji Sahib Prime Gurbani from Sachkhand brought by Guru Nanak Sahib Jee, and FOUNDATION STONE of Sri Guru Granth sahib Jee....followed by JAAP SAHIB Prime Bani of GURU GOBIND SINGH JI final Dehdhari Guru of Sikhs...in between we have Swaiyeh, Chaupaii followed by ANAND SAHIB which is the BANI that COMPLETES EVERY SIKH CEREMONY.
There is absolutely no reason to break the sequence, mumble away, jump about in the bani order for our conveneicne ( it isnt hard to khannth Jaap Sahib - it just looks that way ) and do the things that mkhalsa has mentioned - japji in the morning before breakfast, then jaap sahib at lunch, and chaupaii at tea break etc....is this a joke or what. Let us be chardikalla.
Even in a simple recipe to bake acake the ingredients HAVE to be in proper Order, weight, quality etc.... and this is NITNEM !! How can we "bake" our jindagi properly if we cant even get the ingredients right, the order right and the weights right. We can be "bothered" to WATCH a famus cook like an eagle to get things "absolutely right" so that our cake turns out EXACLY like his did....BUT with our NITNEM and Pita Ji's ORDER we want to change things around ??? How will our nitnem be successful...NO WONDER the Raass is missing, the Anand is missing and our life is a failure.
Dass Jarnail Singh.
PS. The original witer of this post UK_SINGH has been "accused" by a "canadian sikh" (MALAYSIAN) of being myself in disguise !!! I wonder why he thinks i should write under different names when my own Guru Given name is good enough for me. This is what you get when a so called "full time profesional" becomes a weekend "gurmatt parcharak". Sad.
Re: Nitnem
Posted by : .....
Date: 7/11/2004 1:53 pm
vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh!
what if you do like japji sahib + jaap sahib, and then stop because you're getting late to go to sangat, and then come back and do the rest? still in order, just with a really long gap (which is filled with sangat)
