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new amritdhari
Posted by : singh
Date: 7/08/2004 9:44 pm
Is there any advice to give to a new amritdhari person? Like when you feel you have been reborn like a little baby and are still young and buzzing off of Amrit. Is there anything to do that will keep that buzz alive?
I've heard someone say that "new amritdharis" should do mool mantar da simran everyday as much as they can?
Any other advice for a "new amritdhari" person to stay strong and chardee kala?
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Jagjit Singh
Date: 7/09/2004 9:29 am
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
Mool Mantar is powerful and second only to Gur Mantar. I have not taken Amrit yet and therefore do Mool Mantar simran. I will not do Gur Mantar simran until I am blessed as an Amrit Dhari.
You on the otherhand have been blessed with Amrit and been given the Gur Mantar of "Waheguru", so do that Singh. Its number 1!!
As far as keeping that buzz alive, continue to....
- remember Waheguru as much as you can, do Ardas for blessings to remember the Lord even more.
- read and talk about Gurbani with Gursikhs, do Ardas for blessings to develop understanding.
I hope that helps.
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : someone
Date: 7/09/2004 10:31 am
1. Keep doing ardaas and keep amritvela strict.
2. Act upon Gurbani commands.
3. Do as much sangat of gursikhs that you can.
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : singh
Date: 7/09/2004 10:32 am
KEEP REHAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. seriously, it's that importent....I have to type it in caps.
I've read that it keeps the rus (flavor) / good feeling alive. keep amritvela.
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : anon
Date: 7/09/2004 8:42 pm
is there some type of scale that can measure whether gurmanter is higher than moolmanter or the reading of gurbani?
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : bnbnb
Date: 7/09/2004 11:32 pm
why not do gur mantar before amrit? why not do mool mantar as well?
isnt naam when your mind is focused on Him only.....so if you are doing simran or doing mool mantar, which is praising him anyway, whats the difference?
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Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Mehtab Singh
Date: 7/10/2004 4:09 am
waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
I am interested to know if there is any Hukamnama or Rehitnama that says that non-Amritdharis should not do Waheguru simran, and that its better if they do Mool Mantar and Banis. Naam is Naam! Anyone who does it will benefit, so why say that one can do this another can do that? And for those who say that a non-Amritdhari will not benefit from Waheguru simran, I ask you : Do you do simran for material benefits or out of love?
thanks
awaiting response
waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : jagjitsingh
Date: 7/10/2004 4:42 am
waheguru ji ke khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh
Pyare jio, a new amritdhari, after the Amrit sanchaar is blessed with some kamai of the Panj Pyares. They should use this to benefit themselves as much as possible. ideally doing Amrit vela every day with other Gursikhs, and begin the upward path of spirituality towards Chardi kala.
If they do not do regular amrit vela, then they will drift back to the equilibruim of spirituality that they were at before Amrit.
I felt very lucky when I took Amrit. I took Amrit at vaiskhai on the year just before I was due to begin university. The Panj Pyares enquired how I would keep rehit when I got to uni. They were concerned for me. So they did a hukam on me that for 3 months I would have to do Amrit Vela with one of the Singhs in the Panj who lived at a nearby street with me.
So every morning at Amrit vela I went there and with other Gursikhs we did abyass for a few hours. Some days I would be lazy, and I would get a phone call enquiring where I was. Feeling ashamed for my laziness I would do ishnaan and rush round. This went on for a long time.
I feel blessed I went through that process when I took Amrit, I had a support structure which ensured I did Amrit vela correctly, and took me to many special places. Today, when I have times when I feel lazy, I remember where I should be. It dawned on me how special Amrit is and easily we forget the importance of Amrit vela. We talk and want things, or spirituality, but are not prepared to do the bhagti to attain it.
I think the best advice or seva any person can do for a new amritdhari, or for your whole locality is open your house at Amrit vela. Create a support structure for all new Amritdharis. Do parkhas of Guru Maharaj at home, and invite all new and regular Amritdharis to your house every day and do Amrit vela together. It is encourage you, and benefit you, and give you sangat,and benefit those around you.
100 lectures or spiritual articles or posts will not have the benefit that a support structure like that will have.
waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : jagroop singh
Date: 7/10/2004 6:41 am
Vahiguru ji ka khalsa, Vahiguru ji ki fateh!
Sadh Sangat Jio,
Could the GurSikhs on this forum explain why it is more positive to do Mool Mantar Simran instead of Naam Simran/Abihyaas before taking Amrit.
Thank you for your Sangat.
Vahiguru ji ka khalsa, Vahiguru ji ki fateh!
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Jarnail Singh Arshi Gyani
Date: 7/11/2004 6:52 am
Waheguru Ji ka Khlasa Waheguru Ji Ki fateh.
GURBANI stresses on being GURU WALLAH....and the worst thing to be is to be a NI-GURA - without a GURU.
During the Dehdhari Guru sahibaans time..... Charan amrit was given to make one a GURU WALLAH....INITIATION ceremony.
Guru Gobind Singh Ji discontinued the charanamrit ceremony of INITIATION and started the AMRIT through PANJ PIYARES at vasakhi 1699 at Anandpur Sahib. This was becasue GURGADHI was being passed from the ending line of DEHDHARI GURU to SHABAD GURU ( GURU GRANTH SAHIB JEE) and the GURU KHALSA PANTH in the form of the Panj piyaras.
So it LOGICALLY follows that one MUST be INITIATED...through CHARNAMRIT from GURU Nanak to Guru Teg bahadur...and then THROUGH PANJ PIYARAE KHANDA BATTA da AMRIT.....to become a GURUWALLH.
IF one could have sufficed to do just NAAM JAPP ( without having charanamrit ) then GURU JI would have said so and not continued the Charanamrit ceremony and GURU GOBIND SINGH would have no use for the panj piayrae ceremony and wouldnt have introduced it.
SO the Charanamrit/Khand batta Amrit Initiation ceremony IS IMPORTANT.
When GURU JI performed the Charanamrit ceremony it was not just a sip of water...GURU JI also gave the NAAM for the new initiated to Jaap...
Now durign the Khanda Batta amrit the PANJ PIYARAE perform the function GURU JI performed...and GIVE the newly INITIATED the GUR MANTAR.
It therefore follows quite logically that if one DOESNT want to PESH the Panj Piyarae to Chhak Amrit then they WONT get the GURMANTAR .
Just pause for a moment...during Guru nanak ji's time also His GURBANi ?NAAM was available..... did anyone say it is of no use going to darshan of Guru ji but we will just Naam japp his Gurbani and we will be saved...BHAI LEHNA JI came for DARSHAN, TOOK CHARANAMRIT, RECEIVED the NAAM - Japped it all the way to becoming GURU ANGAD..
WITHOUT the express BENEVOLENCE of the PANJ, the "word" "waheguru" is JUST a WORD...it is NOT GURMANTAR...it assumes the POWER of GURMANTAR ONLY after the PANJ give it to you as an amritdharee.
Just like a University Degree is just a worthless piece of paper without the Vice-Chancellor's signature and Varsity Seal...so is a NIGURA without the Seal of approval of the Panj and GurU Ji. This is also the view of amny prominent Gurmukhs and Gursikhs...except those who dont beleive in Amrit of Panj Piayare.
Before AMRIT one is a NIGURA...without a GURU...it doesnt matter what Naam Japp you do ALL GURBANI is helpful...it can be Mool Mantar, japji sahib..Jaap sahib Chaupaii, Swaiyeh, Akal ustat...BUT to become a certified SINGH you have to take AMRIT. This is NOT being exclusive/superior etc. It just happens to be a fact of life....ordinary worldy life is also the same....one can read all the medical books, learn all about drugs, medicines, herbs....BUT you are NOT a DOCTOR until you get CERTIFIED from a Medical School/University. If a simple thing like that is reality, why not GURU WALLAH certification according to GURBANI. Somebody can turn around and say I am trying to make Doctors sound superior/exclusive ?? AM I ?? No. Amrtidharee are NOT exclusive or Superior...being an Amrtidhare is just a STAGE different from a non-amritdharee...thats all. One is free to remain one if one doesnt like it and is comfortable with it.
Dass jarnail Singh.
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : yo
Date: 7/11/2004 3:33 pm
moolmantar is the same thing as gurmantar; there is no difference
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Kulbir Singh
Date: 7/11/2004 8:15 pm
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moolmantar is the same thing as gurmantar; there is no difference
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Gurmantr is Naam and Mool Mantr is baani or you can say it is the essence of baani. Both are important but are not replacable by each other. One cannot say that one is going to do only Mool Mantra and not do Gurmantra and still get pooran avastha (top spiritual state).
Gurmantra or Naam occupies the top seat in Gurmat. Everything else that we do acts as an aiding karma (deed) to Naam. The paath of Gurbani and kirtan of Gurbani is the top aiding karma. Other karma like moral uprightness, keeping rehit etc. are also important aiding karma that must be kept along with Naam.
Both Rehit and Naam are important. None is dispensible. One cannot compensate for a weakness in rehit by doing more paath and vice-versa.
Daas,
Kulbir Singh
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Kulbir Singh
Date: 7/11/2004 8:19 pm
A non-amritdhaari person should focus on doing gurbani paath. It is true that if they do recitation of Naam, it won't harm them but one thing is for sure that a non-amritdhari person can never reap full benefit of doing naam abhyaas.
A non-amritdhari person doing naam jaap may get ridhi sidhi but can never attain Gurmat spiritual state. Also, in the next world, Siri Siri Gobind Singh jee Maharaaj will only help such person in the next world, if this person takes amrit of Siri Guru jee. One who disobeys this basic hukam of Siri Guru jee cannot take benefit of Guru Sahib's house's name.
This may be an unpopular opinion but this is what I have learned from the sangat of gursikhs and reading books of gurusikhs like Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh jee.
Daas,
Kulbir Singh
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Mkhalsa
Date: 7/11/2004 10:37 pm
>>>I am interested to know if there is any Hukamnama or Rehitnama that says that non-Amritdharis should not do Waheguru simran, and that its better if they do Mool Mantar and Banis. Naam is Naam! Anyone who does it will benefit, so why say that one can do this another can do that? And for those who say that a non-Amritdhari will not benefit from Waheguru simran, I ask you : Do you do simran for material benefits or out of love?<<<<
Singh Jee,
its from experience of other gursikhs. If you want to get somewhere, ie gursikhi, you should look at those who have already accomplished it and do what they do. Such gursikhs have experience and knowledge and if they tell you such and such probably wont help you as much as such and such, its probably worth listening to.
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : P Singh
Date: 7/11/2004 10:51 pm
Kulbir Singh,
You say "One who disobeys this basic hukam of Siri Guru jee cannot take benefit of Guru Sahib's house's name"
Guru Sahib's house's name? A non-amritdhari like me recites Waheguru! Waheguru! Waheguru!! because we want to keep God in our thoughts and do not know a better way to do simran, of course we pray to be blessed with amrit one day. You should not make such bold statements as to who benefits and who does not, unless you are Dharam-Raaj or truly have Gyan of what is of benefit and what is not.
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Jagjit Singh T
Date: 7/12/2004 6:28 am
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
The reasons given to me by Gursikhs to focus on Mool Mantar before being blessed with Amrit are exactly what sadh sangat have expressed here. Namely, In the time of our 10 Deh Dhari Gurus, a Sikh only used to receive the Gur Mantar on being initaited by them. Therefore as a student (Sikh) of their teaching, I must respect and be at peace with that.
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh!
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Kulbir Singh
Date: 7/12/2004 9:02 am
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Guru Sahib's house's name? A non-amritdhari like me recites Waheguru! Waheguru! Waheguru!! because we want to keep God in our thoughts and do not know a better way to do simran, of course we pray to be blessed with amrit one day. You should not make such bold statements as to who benefits and who does not, unless you are Dharam-Raaj or truly have Gyan of what is of benefit and what is not.
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Well, I am surely not Dharam Raaj and I only expressed my opinion just as others did.
If you are a non-amritdhari person reciting Vaheguru Vaheguru, then no one is going to stop you. But we can only let you know the truth that Gurmantra should only be recited when you have the authority to recite it from Guru Sahib. This Naam is the property of Guru Sahib and only those fortunate ones who give their heads to Guru Sahib (during amrit sinchaar) have the right to recite naam. You may recite and no one will mind but you will get the benefits of reciting this Naam only if you take amrit and receive authority of japping naam from Guru Sahib.
Please ponder upon the following pankiti:
Raam Raam sabh ko kahae, kahiyae Raam na hoye||
Gurparsaadi, Raam mann vasae, taan phal paavae koi||
(The whole world is saying Raam Raam or japping naam according to their intelligence but their reciting of Naam does not manifest Raam in their hearts. Only when one does Raam Raam through the true Guru (Gur-parsaad), then one can reap the benefits of doing Naam abhyaas)
There are numerous pankitis in Gurbani to prove that Naam is obtained from the true Guru (now a days tyaar bar tyaar Punj Pyaaray give Naam after giving amrit).
Without obtaining Naam one is only wasting one’s time. As I said before, one may get ridhi sidhi or other magical powers but one will never get spiritual avastha, if one does not take amrit and then japp naam and keep rehit.
Daas,
Kulbir Singh
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Masard Ganda Singh
Date: 7/12/2004 9:25 am
Taking about Amrit Sanchaars does it not make you thirsty for the Amrit? I can't help it but whenever I hear the name Amrit Sanchaar I become very thirsty for the Amrit, and I see in my mind when they are giving the amrit and it going down my throat, or whenever I see a sarbloh bata, I make the scrapping sound of the khanda? Do you also feel like this? Or is this some kind've of weakness in me trying to tell me to take amrit again?
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : P Singh
Date: 7/12/2004 9:38 am
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I feel that if you keep remembering Waheguru, whether it is reciting Waheguru or reading bani ITS ALL GOOD. This allows a person to make his soil fertile for the Gurmantar seed once he/she takes amrit.
Also Kulbir Singh you say Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji will only help Amritdharis then can you tell me why he helped guide Bhai Rama Singh Ji when he was not amritdhari? Also why did Bhai Rama Singh say this in his autobiography:
IN SEARCH OF THE TRUE GURU by Bhai Rama Singh Jee
Bhaisahib talks about Simran, and says that by doing WAHEGURU simran a human being is freed from all the cycle of birth and death and achieves contentment.
WAHEGURU is the Guru's mantar, and it may be recited by a Hindu or Muslim or Christian or Sikh or anyone : all happiness is achieved by its recitation.
With each and every breath, meditate in remembrance on the Lord of the Universe, and the anxiety within your mind shall depart. (SGGS pg 295)
Then Bhaisahib explains the 2 ways of doing WAHEGURU Simran. The first is the recitation of WAHEGURU WAHEGURU and the second is WAHEGURU Simran with every swas. The first one gifts many mental powers but it takes a long time to reach the goal. If Akal Purakh showers His Grace, or the person has done meditation in previous life, then WAHEGURU Simran flows in rhythm with every swas.
The second method method is taught by the Panj Pyaare during the Amrit ceremony. They direct that WAHEGURU Simran with every breath is very important at Amrit Vela.
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Bhul Chuk Maaf
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : seeker
Date: 7/12/2004 11:59 am
waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
bhai kulbir singh jee you state that mool mantar cannot be replaced by gurmantar as this is higher. but according to the limited knowledge obtained through grace of guru ji i believe they are both amrit and can equally help to achieve the ultimate goal. as bhai sahib bhai randheer singh ji states in one of his books that "gurbani keertan/paath/naam are all capable and equally powerful to open your dasam duar" as we know bhai sahib speaks from experience
not trying to start any contorversy but just though id share what ive read
waheguru ji ka khgalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Mkhalsa
Date: 7/12/2004 1:52 pm
kulbir singh jee has already proved his point with gurbani. its up to you to understand or listen. we are just trying to help you with what we know from our experience. if you choose not to listen to our advice, it is no loss for us.
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : someone
Date: 7/12/2004 4:45 pm
What are you guys talking about?
Moolmantar and Gurmantar are both the same
If you dont believe me .. check in Khalsa Jeevan , a book by DAMDAMI Taksaal..
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : noone
Date: 7/12/2004 10:26 pm
this post was talking about NEW AMRITDHARIS - people that JUST took Amrit recently.
not NON amritdharees, but NEW amritdharees
PEOPLE WHO JUST TOOK AMRIT
NEW NOT NON......
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Mkhalsa
Date: 7/12/2004 10:41 pm
mool mantar is not same as gurmantar. this is obvious to most gursikhs. no insult meant to taksal, i doubt this is even true.
This is a pretty obvious statement. all power is in the gurmantar. mool mantar is also powerful but is NOT equal to the power of gurmantar. ask any high avastha singh!
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : khalistani
Date: 7/13/2004 12:46 am
Vaheguru je ka khalsa, Vaheguru je ka fateh!!
bani cant save us now?
i cant belive this
bani, naam, any of these things can get us to sach khand
sure, do bothm thas even better
bani says thats i have sailed the world ocean thanks to GURU JES BAAAANI
guru je also says i have sailed thanks to naaam
so, both mool mantar and naam are equal
bhula chuka maf
Vaheguru je ka khalsa, Vaheguru je ka fateh!!
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : seeker
Date: 7/13/2004 12:38 pm
fao admin
this topic is not focusing on good parchar for the sangat. on this forum we should not be discussing if there is a difference between gurbani and naam as this leads straight to the parchar of sdo and kala afghana who are trying to brainwash the uneducated part of the panth(in this day and age is a majority)please do not approve such topics and messages . when we do kamayee of both we will see ourselves when guru ji blesses us. i am not taksaal but have been in jatha for over 20 years and it saddens when sangat debate such issues for as we should be learning from bhai sahibs life he cured his father with mani dheay paureea from japji sahib. power is in both and both are amrit we must not deviate from this add rehit and this is the foundation for the path.
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Kulbir Singh
Date: 7/13/2004 1:10 pm
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bani cant save us now?
i cant belive this
bani, naam, any of these things can get us to sach khand
sure, do bothm thas even better
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I just want to make a clarification and don’t want to be misunderstood. Gurbani is all powerful and Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee that contains all baani is our Guru at present time.
Following is what I wrote earlier:
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Gurmantr is Naam and Mool Mantr is baani or you can say it is the essence of baani. Both are important but are not replacable by each other. One cannot say that one is going to do only Mool Mantra and not do Gurmantra and still get pooran avastha (top spiritual state).
Gurmantra or Naam occupies the top seat in Gurmat. Everything else that we do acts as an aiding karma (deed) to Naam. The paath of Gurbani and kirtan of Gurbani is the top aiding karma. Other karma like moral uprightness, keeping rehit etc. are also important aiding karma that must be kept along with Naam.
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You write - “bani, naam, any of these things can get us to sach khand”. This is where I don’t agree. You need both to lead to Sach Khand. We cannot ignore Naam-Gurmantr and reach Sach Khand by baani alone and by the same token without Gurbani Paath, it is impossible to do naam abhyaas.
Daas,
Kulbir Singh
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Kulbir Singh
Date: 7/13/2004 1:13 pm
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i am not taksaal but have been in jatha for over 20 years and it saddens when sangat debate such issues for as we should be learning from bhai sahibs life he cured his father with mani dheay paureea from japji sahib. power is in both and both are amrit we must not deviate from this add rehit and this is the foundation for the path.
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Very well said veer jeeo. I totally agree that Gurbani has all the curing powers for our mental, physical and spiritual diseases. Without Gurbani, it is unthinkable to do naam abhyaas. Gurbani is full of amrit and so is Naam but we must realise that these two are separate things. We cannot replace Naam with Gurbani or Gurbani with Naam. Mool Mantr is Gurbani and Naam is Gurmanter.
Daas,
Kulbir Singh
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : ?
Date: 7/13/2004 2:40 pm
well said kulbir singh but i believe they are the same as bhai sahib states that any one of them singularyly or together can open the dasam duar
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Mkhalsa
Date: 7/13/2004 5:23 pm
Bhai Randhir Singh has written that anyone who does naam abhyaas but ignores bani will not got anywhere. By the same token the opposite is true.
I know this from experience of my own as well. You need both to have any spirituality.
Someone told me a story of a singh who came to an amritsanchar. He had spent his life studying gurbani. He did incredible amounts of patt, had so much bani memorized, his pronunciation was exceptional, he had santhiya of all bani etc. But his spirituality had stopped growing at a certain point and he was in such bairaag. He had not done much naam simran and did not even know the gurmat techniques nor benefits of naam simran.
He came to an amrit sanchar and received naam drirh for the first time. As soon as this happened, his dasam duar opened and he passed out.
You need both. More than enough proof is available. They are different.
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : 10
Date: 7/13/2004 11:06 pm
"He came to an amrit sanchar and received naam drirh for the first time. As soon as this happened, his dasam duar opened and he passed out."
This example is different from the points being discussed. In this instance the person is recieving naam from the punj.
Reading one Sukhmani Sahib da paat, all of your breaths for that day are equal to having done simran all day.
Naam abhiyaas is important, reading gurbani is important, but I don't think you can say one is greater than the other.
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : P Singh
Date: 7/13/2004 11:11 pm
MKhalsa,
you don't decide who has spirituality and how one gets spirituality. Go tell Bhuddist monks or Christains that they have no spirituality.
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : ns
Date: 7/14/2004 1:10 am
Vaheguru je ka khalsa, Vaheguru je ka fateh
For all the ones confused why not consult Guru Ji for your explanation
"mool ma(n)thra har naam rasaaein kahu naanak pooraa paaeiaa "
panna 1040
therefore in the essence mool mantar actually is defined above as naam by Guru Ji through the kamai of which Guru Ji receives the almighty lord.
Vaheguru je ka khalsa, Vaheguru je ka fateh
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Buntee
Date: 7/14/2004 7:37 am
What about what Masard Gandaa Singh said:
Taking about Amrit Sanchaars does it not make you thirsty for the Amrit? I can't help it but whenever I hear the name Amrit Sanchaar I become very thirsty for the Amrit, and I see in my mind when they are giving the amrit and it going down my throat, or whenever I see a sarbloh bata, I make the scrapping sound of the khanda? Do you also feel like this? Or is this some kind've of weakness in me trying to tell me to take amrit again?
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : isaac
Date: 7/14/2004 12:19 pm
Bunty...
If you've taken amrit and you haven't done anything wrong... no I don't think you need to take it again
but that taste thing
I get it often
sometimes I really really really feel like I have amrit in the my mouth
I feel the taste of amrit
or the taste and smell of the sarbloh bata
it's strange ...
Re: new amritdhari
Posted by : Jarnail Singh Arshi Gyani
Date: 7/14/2004 8:23 pm
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki fateh.
Right...IF you havent committed any of the Bajjar Kurehits...YOU CANNOT take Amrit again....
Because the Panj will ASK you first" Have you taken Amrti before...and If you say yes they will ask what bajjar kurehit you committed so that you have to take Amrti again ?? If you "LIE" ??? just to take amrit ?? I think it is wrong..very wrong.
I know of a person in Singapore who LIED like this just because he thought Amrit was so powerful and good that he had to have it at every Amrit sanchaar...and he told me he "lied" and that Guru Ji will be sure to forgive his tiny "white lie" because it was to get the Amrit.... This is a totally FLAWED appraoch..
Once you have taken Amrti and become a Guruwallah... the TASTE of Amrit everyday will come from GURBANI and Naam abhiyaas...
Dass jarnail Singh.
