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question on Sri Dasam Granth
Posted by : .................
Date: 7/08/2004 4:55 am
< sRI vwihgurU jI kI Pqih ]
sRI muKvwk pwiqswhI 10 ]
inswin isKI eIN pMj hriP Asq kwP ]
hrigj nw bwsd eIN pMj muAwP ] 1]
kVw kwrdo k`C kMGy ibdW ]
iblw kys hyc Asq jumly insW ] 2]
hrP hkwieq Asq AjI pMj kwP]
ibdw nMd bwvr n goXm iKlwP ] 3]
hu`kw hjwmq hlwlo hrwm ]
bwrIsy ihnw krd rU isXw Pwm ] 4] 1]
(AsPokt sÍYXy, sRI dsm gRMQ)
"The following five K’s are the mark of Sikhi.These five can never be parted from the body. Kara, Kirpan, Kashera, Kangha, recognise these as four of them.The fifth is Kesh, without which the other four are useless. There are also four H’s which must be avoided. Understand this without any doubt, no lies have been told. Hukka, taking tobacco (including any other type of intoxicants). Hajamat, removing of hair. Halalo, eating meat. Haram, adultery (sexual relationships outside of marriage). These are the four H’s. Dyeing of beards (including any other body hair), and the wearing of mehndi (including other types of make up) are strictly forbidden.
(Sri Dasam Granth)"
Now, where exactly is this quote located? It says Asfookat svaivya, but what page number???
Thanks
vaheguru ji ka khalsa, vaheguru ji ki fateh!
Re: question on Sri Dasam Granth
Posted by : A Singh
Date: 7/08/2004 7:34 am
Dear "....................."
The standardised Dasam Granth available at present (as printed by the SGPC) omits, what certain scholars consider to be authentic parts of the Granth, and likewise other versions are in circulation with various omissions.
The quoted passage you refer to is however usually found towards the end of the Granth, some argue that it is not authentic on the grounds that the defined Kakkars do not tally with what they consider to be the actual Kakkars (those ascribing to such views have presented many arguments in favour of their supposition using largely the "Bhatt Vahi" literature).
Others, like Ragi Balbir Singh Nihang (who has direct lineage from the times of Guru Arjan Dev Ji), do accept this as part of the Granth and to be the authorative command of Guru Gobind Singh and use it frequently in their vichaar, as do the Damdami Taksal.
Hope this helps.
Re: question on Sri Dasam Granth
Posted by : Balpreet Singh
Date: 7/08/2004 8:28 am
This work appears in the Appendix of Dasam Granth ie. not in the main body. The appendix changes from version to version, depending on what extra shabads the printer feels are written by Guru jee. Piara Singh Padam shows how the language places it in the 1800s. It is not a part of Dasam Granth.
Re: question on Sri Dasam Granth
Posted by : A Singh
Date: 7/08/2004 9:01 am
Correction: It is not part of the Dasam Granth as per the analysis provided by Piara Singh Padam, who whilst being a noteworthy scholar is not the final authority on the Dasam Granth.
Re: question on Sri Dasam Granth
Posted by : Kulbir Singh
Date: 7/08/2004 9:16 am
None of the old versions of Dasam Granth e.g. the Saroop in Delhi does not have this shayer. This shayer is a recent addition i.e. after the Sikh Raj.
Daas,
Kulbir Singh
Re: question on Sri Dasam Granth
Posted by : A Singh
Date: 7/08/2004 11:11 am
Bhai Ji Kulbir Singh, what is your view on Uggardanti Bani, which doesn't according to many 'scholars' appear in the Dasam Granth, yet can be found in older saroops and moreover in the relic of Baba Deep Singh's gutka?
Re: question on Sri Dasam Granth
Posted by : singh
Date: 7/08/2004 9:47 pm
these things are confusing. you don't know who to believe anymore.
Re: question on Sri Dasam Granth
Posted by : Jarnail Singh Arshi Gyani
Date: 7/10/2004 4:36 am
Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki fateh.
To Admin:
Is there any way to have the Gurmukhi Font appear as it is written in mails posted on this forum. The Gurmukhi always becomes a jumbled up text. Please advise any way to overcome this.
dass Jarnail Singh
