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Murder on my mind
Posted by : ?????
Date: 7/05/2004 6:30 am
Vaheguru ji ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji ki fathe
I sometimes think about killing people, know particular person but just senarios e.g if someone was to attack me or my family or if someone tried to break in to my house. I often think abotu what would be the best way to kill someone i.e to leave no DNA ro to kill without spilling to much blood. Also things like disposing of the body ..woudl I bury it or burn it or chop it up etcc........ i don't feel these are negative thoguhts as we as Gursikhs shouls be warriors therefore death should be something that we think about and condition ourselves for. I want to know does anyone else ever think like this????????
Vaheguru ji ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji ki fathe
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : Kulbir Singh
Date: 7/05/2004 7:17 am
If you are getting such feelings as murdering someone, then you surely need help. Such thinking is not normal and I would strongly suggest that you seek help.
Apart from seeking professional psychological help, I feel that you should learn more about Gurmat and do more paath. Remember that murder is a very big sin and punishment from Vaheguru for such unpardonable crime is very severe. The reason is that killing a person does not only destroys the victim's rare human form but also gives immense sorrow to his or her relatives and friends. The aggressor is held accountable for all this, in the court of Dharam Rai.
You write that you think how you to get away with murder but you forget that you may get away with murder from police but how can you get away from Vaheguru?
Daas,
Kulbir Singh
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : ?????
Date: 7/05/2004 7:34 am
Vaheguru ji ak khalsa
vaheguru ji ki fathe
Bha ji
In "Sikhi Law" would killing someone if they come to attack oyour family constitute to murder??? Would it not be the same as what the Singh have doen through otu history?? Also what is wrong with thinkign about it ??? If the day came where I had to kill somone it is more than likleyto be for Sikhi. The thing is if we as Sikhs had to fight again like the singhs in the 1980's and throguh otu historyu we need to be numb to the effects of death right? What i mean is if you had to cut soemones throat in a hand to hand battle you can't sit there and start crying about it , you got to get on with it I'm sure thr Guru Gobidnsingh and other Gursikhs would have ahd to master mind plots of how to take people out. even the murder of Indra gandhi, beant singh, massa rungar, etc......
Vaheguru ji ak khalsa
vaheguru ji ki fathe
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : P Singh
Date: 7/05/2004 9:48 am
If you have to kill someone in self defense then why are you thinking about disposing the body and stuff? The case would go to court, go get some help.
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : what
Date: 7/05/2004 12:49 pm
i think you should learn to explain yourself better first and then seek help.
in the same sentence you talk of murder then you talk of killing someone if defence?
there is a difference singh?
the gurus defended themselves and did not kill anybody just for the sake of it, have some respect for wahegurus sake, the singhs in the 80's did not kill anybody just for the fun of it they again were defending the panth from brutal enemies intent on destruction.
these thoughts you are having are not good and you need to seek help in clearing your mind of these thoughts, instead of thinking of killing someone try listening and reading more bani and the history of the gurus, i would advise reading anything else learn about your gurus first and there principles and ideologies.
may waheguru have mercy on your soul
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : gareeb
Date: 7/05/2004 1:16 pm
Guru Sahib used people with really different intellects for really amazing purposes.
If you think strategically, and you make great plans about how to murder somebody, you could be a great warrior... or a disgusting criminal.
Choose your destiny - put your mind in the right place.
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : 10
Date: 7/05/2004 1:30 pm
If you think that Sikhi is all about killing people you have a lot to learn.
As Kulbir Singh mentioned this sounds like a psychotic problem.
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : singh_is_king
Date: 7/05/2004 3:16 pm
a real sikh is supposed to think about thier end all the time. you don't know when you're is about to come. thinking about death helps you to do more paath and also lets you to think about our future.
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : khalsa
Date: 7/05/2004 4:26 pm
How about if you threaten to kill someone and be a gursikh and your reasons don't justify killing someone something like " I'll shoot you"
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : ?????
Date: 7/06/2004 5:04 am
Vaheguru ji ka khalsa
Vaheguru ji ki fathe
I don't hink about killing for fun as you stated, I think about senarios where i might have to kill. It might be the case that you might need to kill someone and dispose of the body this is modern gorrilla warfare. To kill someoen and leave no trace. Theres o point in killing someone and beign caught. You have to cover every angle.
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because even if you kill someone in self defense you'll still end up goign to prison for man slaughter etc....
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I didn't say and don't think that sikhi is all abotu killign people, but if the need be then we haev never and shoudl never think twice
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : Singh
Date: 7/06/2004 9:59 am
A Gursikh imbued in Naam does not need to condition his/her mind to killing/death as he/she is aloof from such basic thoughts. Gursikhs of the past only killed to protect themselves, and only when they were literally being attacked.
Even when doing this is self defence a Gursikh feels sorrow for the attacker. The last thing a Sikh would do is then try to hide his/her actions. A Sikh stands for the truth regardless of the consequences.
So, a Sikh should not think the way you do. The remedy is to dwell on Naam. Psychologists will not help, the only true doctor is Satguru and the true medicine is Naam.
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : Kaur
Date: 7/06/2004 10:05 am
This may be linked to karma - past life issues.
I feel you should do paat and then ardaas for these negative thoughts to stop.
Singh ji - yes I think they are negative thoughts - don't think it is justification to say that you are mentally perfecting your warrior skills!!
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : P Singh
Date: 7/06/2004 10:06 am
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because even if you kill someone in self defense you'll still end up goign to prison for man slaughter etc....>>>>>>>>>>>
Sikhs don't do anything sneaky, none of this secret disposing of the body stuff. Sikhs will live openly and follow the will of God.
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : hehe
Date: 7/06/2004 3:31 pm
Vaheguru ji ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji ki fathe
when i was younger i used to think about this too..but never thought of disposal of the body.. i always thought about defense.. and how i would be the hero..
Vaheguru ji ka Khalsa
Vaheguru ji ki fathe
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : singh
Date: 7/06/2004 3:41 pm
i used to think about being a martyr fighting in defense of dharm and liberty. don't think about it too much, it distracts from simran.
just do more simran, paat, keep good sangat, avoid negativity such as tv, music, bad sangat. don't worry about 'conditioning' yourself. if you do lots of simran, eventually you will be able to act with 'one mind' meaning that if need arises you'll be much less likely to hesitate. thinking about 'disposing the body' etc. may twist your thinking. stop that.
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : ban-g
Date: 7/07/2004 9:52 pm
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa waheguru ji ki Fateh
Once along time ago I had a dream that I killed someone (I forget why- but there was a reason) I hid the body underground, but police came with dogs who sniffed it out and dug it up-
I don't know if the dream had any special meaning - but I think I know what you are talking about. You wonder if there is a way to do something and leave no trace.
My dream told me no matter what is done to cover up- it will be found out - Its like truth will always come out
ad such jugad suh habi such nanak hosi bi such
When you have a fantasy and carry out a scenario to its end result it can help you make choices if you can see where a wrong turn will take you. But these things you are thinking are not things you want to dwell on- because in time or under stress thought may become deed.
It's better to fantasize on means of negotiation - If such and such a scene were to happen how could you by peaceful means achieve desired resolution. If you put your energies to this kind of thinking you can reap only benefits for yourself and others.
Re: Murder on my mind
Posted by : noone
Date: 7/08/2004 9:39 pm
veerji who made this post, do you have any response(s) to everything above ji?
