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"caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: sidhu.hcl (IP Logged)
Date: April 09, 2008 01:22PM

caste creed discrimination amoung sikhs has become an important issue.

"beep-Beep" its an alram for sikhs to look into what guruji had said and where we are heading for??

we are no better thn HINDUs anymore. :(

they worship stones ? sikhs had started doing same with Pictures of guruji ... and some have also placed "GURUji's murti" on dashboards. "situation is alarming"

all tapoban singhs and singhnii ji kindly caste ur important views how situation can be tackled??

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: Khalsaspirit (IP Logged)
Date: April 09, 2008 03:28PM

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Sidhu jio,

Quote"caste creed discrimination amoung sikhs has become an important issue. beep-Beep"

Let's start from ourself first. ਆਹ 'ਸਿੱਧੂ' ਵਾਲੀ ਪੂਛ ਨੂੰ ਉਡਾ ਦੇ ਵੇਖ ਫੇਰ ਕਿਵੇਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਮਦਦ ਕਰਦੇ ਨੇਂ ਹੋਰਨਾ ਦੀਆਂ ਉਡਾਉਣ ਵਿਚ। ਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਲੇ ਬਣੋ ਇਹ ਜਾਤਾ ਪਾਤਾ ਦਾ ਟੈਂਟਾ ਤਾਂ ਹੀ ਖਤਮ ਹੋਊ।
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ਹਮਰੀ ਜਾਤਿ ਪਾਤਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਹਮ ਵੇਚਿਓ ਸਿਰੁ ਗੁਰ ਕੇ ॥ Panna 731
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ਸੋ ਪਹਿਲਾ ਭਾਈ ਸਿਰ ਵੇਚਣਾ ਪਊ ਫਿਰ ਕੋਈ ਗੱਲ ਬਣੇਗੀ। ਜਿਹੜੇ ਅੰਮਰਿਤ ਛਕ ਕੇ ਵੀ ਜਾਤਾਂ ਵਾਲੀ ਪੂਛ ਲਟਕਾਈ ਫਿਰਦੇ ਨੇ ਉਨਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਅਜੇ ਸਿਰ ਨਹੀ ਵੇਚਿਆਂ ਤਾਂਹੀਉ ਤਾਂ ਉਹ ਆਪ ਖੁਆਰ ਹੋਏ ਫਿਰਦੇ ਨੇ ਅਤੇ ਦੁਸਰਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਭੀ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਨੇ। ਆਪ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਚੰਗੀ ਅਵਾਜ਼ ਉਠਾਈ ਹੈ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਆਪ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਹੋਰ ਬਲ ਬਖਸ਼ਣ।

PS: Dassre are not member of Gurudwara Tapoban Sangat, however, being a kEEt of Tapoban forum this is what we can say.

Guru Mehar Karay

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: Harinder Singh (IP Logged)
Date: April 09, 2008 11:38PM

zabardast post khalsa spirit.
veer next time u come to india and if i do ur darshan i am doing to give u a naam hugg and u are going to remember this hugg ever after the end of this life as i feel u are certainly a gyan khandian infact much agge than gyan khandian.
I am becoming a BABA.
Its all in the destiny
TERA ANT NA PARAVARIYAA.

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: Harinder Singh (IP Logged)
Date: April 09, 2008 11:42PM

Sidhu baaii, khalsa spirit is right, his words are deep, par tun fikaarrr na karr, tera time aaan he vala hai, hahaha
I myself was a proud jatt, a gill and just look at me how i am have completely overcome this in a very short span of time, hahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaha.
TERA ANT NA PARAVARIYAA

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: sidhu.hcl (IP Logged)
Date: April 10, 2008 12:16AM

mere veer "khasla di atma" ji "Sidhu.hcl@gmai.com" is just my id name that is represented in front of u. My real name dont contain my caste it only contain Singh (as of other sikhs). this id was created long back. veerji i offer my deep apology if this hurts u.

I never use "sidhu" as caste in my name, neither it is in my matriculation certificate. so my frnd no need to worry.
kindly caste ur opinoin abt the issue raised, pulling others nikker-down is quite simple.

Veer "khasaspirit" ji here "sidhu.hcl" written is profile name and it is AS SAME AS U HAD written "khalsa di atma" (instead of giving any identity of ur).

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: Khalsaspirit (IP Logged)
Date: April 10, 2008 10:33AM

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Quote"pulling others nikker-down is quite simple"

ਦੇਖ ਭਾਈ ਸਿੱਧੂਆ ਘਬਰਾ ਨਾ ਕੋਈ ਨਹੀ ਤੇਰੀ ਨਿੱਕਰ ਲਾਹ ਰਿਹਾ ਬਸ ਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਲੇ ਹੋ ਜਾਉ ਜਿਸ ਦਿਨ ਸਿਰ ਵੇਚ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਉੱਦਣ ਭਾਈ ਤੇਰੀ ਤੇ ਸਾਡੀ ਨਿੱਕਰ ਸਾਂਝੀ ਭਾਵ ਜੇ ਤੇਰੀ ਲਹੁ ਤਾਂ ਨੰਗ ਤਾਂ ਦੋਹਾਂ ਦਾ ਇਕੋ ਜਿਹਾ ਹੀ ਹੋਊ ਨਾਲੇ ਭਾਈ ਸੁੱਖ ਨਾਲ ਵਿਸਾਖੀ ਵੀ ਆਹ ਗਈ ਆ ਉਪਰੋਂ ਭਾਈ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਭਾਈ ਫੌਜਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਤੇ ਸੰਗੀ ਸਿੰਘਾ ਦਾ ੩੦ ਸਾਲਾ ਸ਼ਹੀਦੀ ਦਿਹਾੜਾ ਵੀ ਏ ਅਤੇ ਸਭ ਤੋਂ ਉੱਪਰ ਅਪਣੇ ਸਭਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਬਾਪੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਇਸ ਸਾਲ ੩੦੦ ਸਾਲਾ ਦਿਹਾੜਾ ਬਸ ਰਲ ਜਾਉ ਇਨਾਂ ਤਿੰਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਅੰਕੜਿਆ ਵਿਚ ਇਕ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਇਕ ਪੰਥ ਤੇ ਇਕ ਨਿਸ਼ਾਨ, ਕਰਕੇ ਅਰਦਾਸਾ ਜਾ ਚੜ ਜਹਾਜੇ ਗੁਰਾਂ ਦੇ। ਫੇਰ ਵੇਖ ਨਜ਼ਾਰੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀਆ ਲਹਿਰਾਂ ਬਹਿਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਜਿਥੇ ਜਾਂਤਾਂ ਪਾਂਤਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਥਾਂ ਹੀ ਕੋਈ ਨਹੀ ਜਿਹੜੇ ਚੜ ਗਏ ਨੇ ਉਹ ਤਰ ਗਏ ਨੇ।
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ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਨ੍‍ ਕਉ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਤਿਨ੍‍ ਕਾ ਲੇਖਾ ਨਿਬੜਿਆ ॥੧੮॥੧॥੨॥ ਪੰਨਾ ੪੩੪
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ਤੇ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਕੀਟਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਕਿਵੇਂ ਸਮਝਾਉਦੇ ਨੇ:

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ਖੰਨਿਅਹੁ ਤਿਖੀ ਵਾਲਹੁ ਨਿਕੀ ਏਤੁ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਜਾਣਾ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ ੯੧੮
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ਤੇ ਹੁਣ ਤੂੰ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਸੋਚ ਬਈ ਜਿਨਾਂ ਜਾਂਤਾਂ ਬਰਾਦਰੀਆ ਜਾਂ ਹੋਰ ਮਨਮੁੱਖ ਤਾਈ ਦੇ ਵਡੇ ਵਡੇ ਛੱਜ ਬੰਨੇ ਹੋਏ ਨੇ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਏਸ ਮਾਰਗ ਤੇ ਚਲ ਹੋ ਜੂ?

Guru Mehar Karay

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki afteh

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: inderjeet1012 (IP Logged)
Date: April 10, 2008 10:34AM

hehe.........just the post i was going to write...........check this out...........
i work under an african american manager in my uni who had no clue who sikhs were except the one time she told me about the way she freaked out on seeing a sikh on board a flight after 9/11........

so i told her a bit about where we come from and how we are different from the general perception........all this said and done.......i go to the office tommorrow...........and she is like .....oh i was thinking about you the other day when i was watching tv where they were telling about a sikh family who in canada who killed their daughter for marrying a low.....low......something..."hell she didnt even know the word caste"

i was angry like crazy........barely did i explain to her about ourselves and this is the first impression she gets and perhaps a lasting one........So because of these fools the perception about sikhs also becomes negative.......

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: Khalsaspirit (IP Logged)
Date: April 10, 2008 11:57AM

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Bhai Harinder Singh jio,

"i feel u are certainly a gyan khandian infact much agge than gyan khandian."

ਫਿਲਹਾਲ ਤਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਮਾਤ ਲੋਕ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਵਸ ਰਹੇ ਹਾਂ ਅਜੇ ਤਾਂ ਇਸ ਖੰਡ ਦਾ ਹੀ ਕਰਜ਼ਾ ਨਹੀ ਉਤਰ ਰਿਹਾ ਗਿਆਨ ਖੰਡ ਤਾਂਈ ਤਾਂ ਪਤਾ ਨਹੀ ਹੋਰ ਅਜੇ ਕਿੰਨੇ ਜਨਮ ਲਗਣਗੇ। ਬਸ ਇਸੇ ਕੋਸ਼ਿਸ਼ ਵਿਚ ਲੱਗੇ ਹੋਏ ਹਾਂ ਕਿ ਅਸੀਂ ਕੀਟ ਵੀ ਕਿਤੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਨਜ਼ਰੀਂ ਚੜ ਜਾਈਏ। ਬੜਾ ਔਖਾ ਖੇਲ ਹੈ ਭਾਈ। ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਸਿੱਖੀ ਕੇਸਾਂ ਸੁਆਸਾਂ ਸੰਗ ਨਿਭਾ ਲੈਣ।

Guru Mehar Karay

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: sidhu.hcl (IP Logged)
Date: April 10, 2008 02:30PM

mere pyaare, gunwaan,giani,te satkaar jog veer "Khasla spirit" or "khalsa di atma" ji .

Veer ji rabb jinu liv landa hai ohnu apna bana lainda hai, eh sab rabb da khed hai, es vich main tusi kuch nhi kar sakde.

"jise jagave peyave eh ras, aakath katha tin jani"

Rabb tak pahunchan da sikhi ta bus ik vakhra nyaara tarika hai. sikhi vikkar, pakhand, jaat paat toh pare hai.

Veerji rahi nikker di gal tusi kaho main aap lah k hath jorh k khar jana an. veerji "sidhu" "jatt" "naam" "main" aha sab vikaar diyan gallan ne. tusi tension na lao.

naam te veerji mahaj ik "samajic vastu" hai jo tuhade sareer nu veyakt kardi hai. veerji tuhade varga hi guru da main v ik nimana jea banda haan. mere naam ch v sidhu nhi haga eh id vekh k galat na lao. kaho te main hune administrator nu kai k change karva lina an.

veer "khalsa di atma ji " eh ohve hi hai jime tusi apna naam khaslaspirit paya hai.(jo ki tuhadi deh da asli naam nhi hai).

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: sidhu.hcl (IP Logged)
Date: April 10, 2008 02:44PM

Veer khalsa spirit ji es dehi da ki maan karna jis te ik pal da bharosa nhi haga , maan khal da v nhi ho sakda. Guruji samjhande han :

Maas maas kar moorkh jaghre, hum maase ke bhande, Gian dhiyaan kuch soojhe nahi chatar kahawe pandey.

maase maas upjaya, Bada hoya veahya ghar le aya maas

veer ji Vaheguru jinu jina denda hai oh ohdi "patrta" hai. Jis din sanu gareeban nu tuhade jini akal aa jawegi uden apni "nikker" sanjhi ho jaugi.

veerji hankaar badpurkh da bahut vada dushman hunda hai. main shyad tuhade naal umer ch v bahut chota howanga. nikke bhara di liv v rabb nal jorhan ch maddad karo.

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: Harinder Singh (IP Logged)
Date: April 11, 2008 01:05AM

Khalsaspirit u are so pyara as well as siyaanaa, if i was a bibi, i would have married u and would have taken u accross this maat lok,hahahahahahahahahaha.
kinnaa mazzaa andaa, kathe naam jappde, gatka khed de te main tannu appne gandaaassaa nall kuttdaa, hahahahahahahahahaha

DHAN DHAN DHAN DHAN DHAN BABA MITT SINGH JEE

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: Harinder Singh (IP Logged)
Date: April 11, 2008 06:58AM

<< Veer khalsa spirit ji es dehi da ki maan karna jis te ik pal da bharosa nhi haga , maan khal da v nhi ho sakda. Guruji samjhande>>

oye sidhu, mainnu nahin paataa see tun innaa siyaana ve hain,hahahaha.
Inniyaan serious gallan tannu AJJE shobdiyaan nahin, wait for ur time to get serious.

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: oothpathang (IP Logged)
Date: April 11, 2008 08:06AM

Between Amritdharis, caste should not even be an issue. But unfortunately, it is for alot of people. Those Amritdharis I think should be declared Tankhaiya who discriminate with other Amritdharis based on caste. They just don't realise how caste based discrimination with other Amritdharis is destroying our Quami Ekta. In this regard at least, Muslims are much more superior than us (unfortunately).

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: Harinder Singh (IP Logged)
Date: April 11, 2008 10:31AM

<< main shyad tuhade naal umer ch v bahut chota howanga. nikke bhara di liv v rabb nal jorhan ch maddad karo>>>

veer i am 24 but my mom considers me of age 10. So i assume i am 10. by ur logic if i wear a nikkar and u remove i will join with rabbbb jee. hahaha i am ready.

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: sidhu.hcl (IP Logged)
Date: April 11, 2008 12:30PM

Veer Harjinder Singh ji tuhanu pata nhi veer kera logic vekhda aa Nobody is getting u?


Here every logic is very clear by the thread itslf sikhs shld not do caste discrimniation .

My motive was to raise the concern what is happening in gurudwaras and religion. In some vilages Gurudwaras of low caste and upper castes are also different/

Due to the utter imbalance of situation sikhs of low caste had started shedding sikhism. they prefer thmslves to be called as "VALMIKIs" "hindus"

ThE CONCERN RAISED HERE WAS VERY VRY SERIOUS for the community and WE PEOPLE instead of discussing on the topic or discussing ideas are criticising each other.

Here I think if we dont take the matters seriously . there is no purpose of the thread and tapoban. I would rather recommend u to go to yahoochat.

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: sidhu.hcl (IP Logged)
Date: April 11, 2008 12:33PM

veer ji i have deep feelings for my religion and i dont have mindset to make mockery of real concerns being faced by the religion and the community.

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: Harinder Singh (IP Logged)
Date: April 11, 2008 09:12PM

veer, infact what u wrote is very deep. Infact even the good amritdhairs I have observed are divided into groups over roti de sanj(bibek). They call people being discriminatory towards guru roop sadhsangat or being too strict. But when doing beti de sanj, they themselves run after caste, money or immigration. Its hypocrisy and its due to such hypocrisies that Khalsa Raj is getting delayed.

<< Between Amritdharis, caste should not even be an issue. But unfortunately, it is for alot of people. Those Amritdharis I think should be declared Tankhaiya who discriminate with other Amritdharis based on caste. They just don't realise how caste based discrimination with other Amritdharis is destroying our Quami Ekta. In this regard at least, Muslims are much more superior than us (unfortunately).>>

EXCELLENT POST.

sikh ke ROTI BETI ke sanj sikh naal

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: Harinder Singh (IP Logged)
Date: April 12, 2008 07:44AM

<< Nobody is getting u >>>
i am feeling ashamed. I lost. YOU WON.hahaha
You would have made me a Mansur BUT
Sab te vadda SATGUR NANAK

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: inderjeet1012 (IP Logged)
Date: April 12, 2008 02:53PM

hehe.........not that harinder singh ji is not serious........just that off late he seems to be in befikari and mauj........

 



Re: "caste discrimination" ?? sikhism getting HURT
Posted by: Harinder Singh (IP Logged)
Date: April 12, 2008 11:12PM

Inderjeet, u are a sweet brother of mine( do u understand what i am trying to say??)
I feel this statement << Nobody is getting u>> is a perfect example of people who have ok jeevan(below ridhiyaan and far from some sort of jyot vision) try to undignify a fellow amritdhari on a forum. After getting pesh this is the worst thing i have visioned among people with ok or more than ok jeevan and if Satguru jee wished, I want to annihilate such form of behaviour.



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