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Re: Did Bhai Sahib admit raag mala was bani??
Posted by: Manmat (IP Logged)
Date: January 03, 2008 11:31AM

bhai khalistan_zindabad dr d

please take a time out on focus on your self, you love talking on forums and arguing

please take a time out, you have upset a lot of people around the uk, because you just enjoy bringing up this nonsense

this our chance to meet the lord of the universe

don't waste it talking about the same old things and getting into heated debates

vjkk vjkf

bhul chuk marf karna

 



Re: Did Bhai Sahib admit raag mala was bani??
Posted by: Khalsaspirit (IP Logged)
Date: January 03, 2008 04:11PM

Waheguru ji ki khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Khalsa jio,

Here is what Khalsaspirit.com has to conclude in response to following quote and in the wake of the fake stories about Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh jee by damdamitaksal.net/.com/.org.

"when required and when satguru ji wishes all detailes will be revealed,until then.peace.ps the 2 singhs are still alive"

The above statement by the writer sounds like the "baba" we had in our village who was pretty good at vague answers. He would tell women go eat this and you will have a boy. When a girl was born the 'cheley" stated we think you did not have enough "sharda" go back to the baba ji and take his blessings again.

The Khalsa does not believe in vague/dual promises or Rehit. The SatGuru has already wished the khalsa and Gurbani is clear in what a Sikh should/should not do. To every Guru Ka Sikh who belongs to the Khalsa Panth the Panj Piyare have made clear what is required and what the SatGuru wishes. There will be no other details. In our mind if we can walk on the Path the Panj have told us SachKhand is guaranteed. The problem is we caught in our duality waiting for answers from some where from where they will not come. We have spun stories to prove Raagmala is Gurbani. In the process we are ready to malign GurSikhs who stood steadfast in their Rehit even when the jailer ordered their teeth to be broken when they refused to eat without Sarbloh/Bibek. The same GurSikh spent years behind bars for his country and faith so much without a complaint knowing what he was doing was Guru's Hukam. He did not accept freedom fighters pension or give an application to the Indian Govt. to get back his land which had been taken away by the British. Mr. Kairon had contacted Bhai Sahib for the same and the answer was "If I need anything I will ask my Guru for it not a Chief Minister". The application was filled out WITHOUT Bhai Sahib's signature and the ancestral land was returned.

Bhai Sahib went to a gathering in Patiala where the then maharaja was also present. So were present politicians and other important people. When the maharaja got up to speak people raised their hands and started shouting maharaja "zindabad" at very instance Bhai Sahib got up and said in the Guru's presence he is a false patshah only Guru is Sacha Patshah how can you raise slogans maharaja zindabad. The maharaja left without giving a speech. There are numerous such examples of great soul of panth. It will take a book to put them on paper. Bhai Sahib did what he said, he practiced what he preached and his legacy as a GurSikh carries on. For people to prove raagmala Bani they (we assume) need to prove Bhai Sahib a fraud? The Panth does not think so or else he would not have the honor of being the only GurSikh to have been "Sanmanit" by all the Takhts at the time and be named as "Panth di Sonay di Chirri".

The question of 2 Singh’s being alive does not matter. There are still Sikhs alive who spent that time of their lives with him. They have already written and openly stated raagmala not Bani. Bhai Sahib has written many books and his belief in Rehit is clear. He was not afraid to write what he believed. In the true sense he was a Khalsa; crystal clear inside and out.

Baba Kartar Singh Ji held RainSabai Kirtans at Chownk Mehta. He invited Singhs from the Akhand Kirtani Jatha. Whenever they reached there Baba Ji walked out bare feet to receive them with respect and humility. After the Bhog he would walk bare feet to send them home. Baba Kartar Singh's Singhni (wife) in those days used to wear Keski which after Baba Ji passed away she stopped. This can be verified by people who are ALIVE and went to those samagams at Chownk Mehta. The original GurSikhs from the Taksal should also be able to verify this. Bhai Ram Singh ji is a good example. If Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji was a fraud why so much respect for the people who were his "Sathees" (companions)? Did Baba Kartar Singh Ji not know or.......

We have strong belief and do not think that Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Jee said something different all his life to his Gurbhais if he knew the truth was something else. However, some people do this and this recent news article below should be of interest to all of us. This is after the fact that Baba Jarnail Singh Ji's Singhni (wife) and son have been honored by Sri Akaal Takht as a wife and son of a great Shaheed in late 90's and they have accepted the same.

http://www.khalsaspirit.com/images/News.JPG

Veer Manjot Singh Ji Khalsa:- Your suggestion is good but we disagree. You are suggesting something a person should practice for oneself, but when somebody calls a GurSikh a liar and that for a GurSikh who happens to have passed away we don't think it is such a good idea.

Guru Mehar Karay

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

 



Re: Did Bhai Sahib admit raag mala was bani??
Posted by: Aadsach (IP Logged)
Date: January 04, 2008 06:48AM

Manmat Wrote:
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> bhai khalistan_zindabad dr d
>
> please take a time out on focus on your self, you
> love talking on forums and arguing
> please take a time out, you have upset a lot of
> people around the uk, because you just enjoy
> bringing up this nonsense
> this our chance to meet the lord of the universe
> don't waste it talking about the same old things
> and getting into heated debates
>
> vjkk vjkf
>
> bhul chuk marf karna

Vjkk Vjkf,

First of all khalistan_zindabad did not start this topic!!
And if it is upsetting alot of ppl then it is upto the admin to close it.
Also, the things you put about "khalistan_zindabad" are not very nice to say in the least, and the same could apply to you because by trying to make one person feel responsible, it is very upsetting.

Generally, and in reply to "Khalsaspirt"s post:
I have utmost deep admiration for Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh ji, but going by your theory are you trying to say Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Bhindranwale - Jeene Suthee Qaum Jugaee, Sant Baba Thakur Singh ji, Sant Baba Isher Singh, Sant Baba Nand Singh Jee and countless COUNTLESS others are liars?

And what you have posted are some very inspirational stories of Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh ji life. It is a different issue that the above Brehamgianee's did not write autobiographies about their inexperiencable jeevan's, because their jeevans were so Ucher and Sucher and kept Gupt, something that losers like me can never ever even dream of realising. However, there is still alot of literature that you can find about them, and be inspired! So, regardless of what jathabandi, we should be inspired by the elder's rather then use them to promote your own jathebandi issues.

Anyways, I think every jathebandi has there own website, so everyone can put what they conceive to be correct, so that there would be no topics like this were everyone is just fighting with each other and not doing veechaar with pyaar, everyone can then just decide for themselves because we just dont have the pyaar elders gursikhs had for each other, its all about trying to prove or not prove Raagmale is gurbani, rather than trying to improve our pyaar for each other so there can be more etka in the panth,

If anyone disagrees with one another, the best thing to do is to go do ardass for each other rather than argue and slander each other on a public forum,
pull chuk maarf kaarni,
Vjkk Vjkf

 
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