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Author: ...
Date: 09-09-05 11:49
A case of true nimarta in my eyes (please do NOT do any sant bashing here, already enough of that)
Sant Seva Singh jee Anandpur Sahib vale were visiting England and were leaving a house when a Singh picked up Sant jee's shoes and respectfully put them in front of Sant jee to put on.
Sant Seva Singh became very agitated. He cried out "You being a Sikh, why are you touching my shoes??"
He left his shoes there and left the house barefoot and said, "If I put my feet in the shoes that have been touched by a Gursikh, who will I ask to take the jutiyaa(n) waiting for me in Dargah?"
I also remember hearing about how when a young Singh grabbed the shoes of an older Chardi Kala Singh to put on his feet the older Singh grabbed the shoe and began chasing the younger Singh around and later said if someone does that to another Singh, they should be boycotted.
That seems like true nimarta to me.
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Author: ssingh
Date: 09-09-05 12:04
is this sant seva singh from rampur khera wale?
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Author: Hari Singh
Date: 09-09-05 12:23
I think such stories are inspiring and people can learn a lot from them.
However, we should realize that these actions are a consequence of a Singh who has nimarta, but they stories do not carry a message of humility within themselves.
Allow me to expand.
True Garibi, nimarta, humility exists within the hearts of those who are drenched in naam.
The realization of truth, brings true humility.
The actions themselves could be pakhand or pious but the only way to judge is by how strong a rehit someone keeps and how much of a naam abhyaasi they are.
Just my views.
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Author: dont know
Date: 09-09-05 19:39
sant seva singh came over to this house and i saw that the family had covered the floor but where he was going to sit they put another chaddar so it seemed alittle higher and when he came in he grabbed the chaddar and threw it to the side and sat down and started to do sukhmani sahib.
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Author: dont know
Date: 09-09-05 19:39
oh yeah that was sant seva singh ji rampur khera wale
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Author: ...
Date: 09-09-05 20:10
To be clear, the original story was of Sant Seva Singh jee Anandpur Sahib vale who passed away many years ago and did seva of Anandgarh Sahib. This is not Sant Seva Singh Rampur Khera Vale.
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Author: Kulbir Singh
Date: 09-10-05 04:55
Amazing story. This shows what a Gursikh would do if another Gursikh tries to touch his feet. No doubt we should strive for charan-dhoori of Gursikhs but real Gursikhs would never be seated on throne allowing others to matha-tek to them or touching their feet.
Kulbir Singh
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Author: jugroop singh
Date: 09-10-05 08:01
VahiGuruJiKaKhalsa,VahiGuruJiKiFateh!
Sadh Sangat Jio,
it is a cycle and here-in lies the greatness of GurMat - Nimrata to the nth degree....
1st GurSikhs want the dust of the feet of all fellow GurSikhs / all fellow GurSikh want the dust of all other GurSikhs' but they would never allow anyone to touch their 'lowly' feet...because even thought they are highest of the high, they truly perceive themselves as the lowest of the low...and so the cycle of GurMat-inspired humility goes on and on...ever-increasing Nimrata which as Siree Guru Sahib teaches, is the way to cleanse our mind and body as preparation for doing Bhagti and meeting VahiGuru. i feel that this is what must have inspired Bhai Gurdass Ji to write about how his skin should be used to produce shoes that should be placed on the feet of fellow GurSikhs. furthermore, Siree Guru Sahib Ji wants the dust of the feet of His GurSikhs even!!!
the 'Sant mathha-tekking/feet touching' tradition is the opposite to this. someone who lets 'fellow GurSikhs' touch their feet, tell me, where is the cyclical Nimrata? only Siree Guru Sahib lets us touch His feet out of Prem and Pity for us - any 'Sant' who poses as a 'GurSikh' and actively lets 'fellow GurSikhs', where do they fit into this cycle...?
take even the example of Seva. it is my feeling that Nihang Baba Mitt Singh (his story is in the inspirational stories section) did not tell others to carry out tasks within the Gurdvara Sahib he oversaw because that, in his eyes, would be requesting GurSikhs and VahiGuru to do things as a result of his orders! so he quietly got on with the Seva which was put in front of him.
GurMat truly is the Perfect Dharam!
VahiGuruJiKaKhalsa,VahiGuruJiKiFateh!
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Author: Singh
Date: 09-10-05 08:16
puts into context the actions of this new Ranjit singh. Just compare him to sant Seva Singh
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Author: .....
Date: 09-10-05 09:34
i think u need to read the 1st post, which was a kind request by the topic starter to NOT do any sant bashing, is following the instructions that difficult.
Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
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Author: kaur
Date: 09-11-05 23:37
that's also dhan bhaag for the gursikh because he got to keep baba ji's shoes
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Author: singh
Date: 09-12-05 18:33
The question was onced posed "How can you know that Naam is having an effect for your"?
The answer given was as an example in cleaning the feet of that sikh with his own beard!
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Author: Lionking
Date: 09-14-05 08:35
Wonderful Sakhi!
Thanks for sharing - that is indeed true nimarta...
Thank - just made my days =D
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Author: singh
Date: 09-14-05 11:11
Jugroop Singh,
you wrote:
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the 'Sant mathha-tekking/feet touching' tradition is the opposite to this. someone who lets 'fellow GurSikhs' touch their feet, tell me, where is the cyclical Nimrata? only Siree Guru Sahib lets us touch His feet out of Prem and Pity for us - any 'Sant' who poses as a 'GurSikh' and actively lets 'fellow GurSikhs', where do they fit into this cycle...?
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Here are the sants who had no problem (neither feel pleasure or dislike) while sangat are matha taiking to them-
They were-
- Sant baba Karam singh ji hoti mardan
- Sant baba Jawala Singh Ji Harkhowaley
- Sant baba Sunder Singh Ji Bhindranwale
- Sant baba Attar Singh Ji Mustaneywaley and Reru Sahib
- Sant baba Isher singh ji Nanaksar waley and Rara Sahib
-Sant baba Nand Singh Ji
- Sant baba Mian Singh Ji
- Sant baba Jagjit Singh Ji Harkhowaley
- Sant baba puran singh ji kirochowale
- Sant Mohinder Singh Ji (Nishkham jatha)
- Jathedar baba Chet Singh Ji (Buddha dal)
you may be think they are fake sants according to your own standards
However, if you wanted to know other side of the coin " why they had no problem (neither feel pleasure or dislike while people matha taiked to them) because bhramgyani avastha in turiya/sam avastha.
They simply don't care. you can tell sangat once, twice but you have to remember sangat comes in thousands. As manjot singh said, there is nothing you can do.
One peace of advise: Stop judging Guru Maharaj and Sant Mahapursh by your standards/certain mindset. you will miserably fail.
No where - neither in hakumnama nor in gurbani it says- matha taikin to real sant is a sin . stop making your own maryada to suit your own beleifs.
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Author: ......
Date: 09-14-05 17:44
total respect singh veerji but I dont think Nanaksar sants let anyone touch their charan.
I have no problem touching a sants feet but I thought I should point that out.correct me if i am wrong
Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
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Author: jugroop singh
Date: 09-15-05 06:59
VahiGuruJiKaKhalsa,VahiGuruJiKiFateh!
Veer 'Singh' ji,
thanks for the list of Sants who according to you actively allowed people to touch there feet...
you wrote:
'No where - neither in hakumnama nor in gurbani it says- matha taikin to real sant is a sin . stop making your own maryada to suit your own beleifs'
Veer Ji, neither does GurBani say that we should be going around running after multiple Sants - my belief is that Sant and GurMukh are synonymous terms; the Sants are within the Sangat.
people such as Radhasoamis try to convince others that a 'human Sant/Guru' is needed because GurBani is a 'prescription' but we need a doctor to 'administer the medicine'. some people who have attached themselves to 'Sikh Sants' begin to think like this and so their faith fades away.
i personally don't know who is a true Sant or untrue Sant - GurBani teaches us that we must be of the same Avastha to realise who is and who isn't.
all i would say is that i personally would not go about touching other GurSikhs feet - all i would be doing is exposing them to Hankaar and that would be a great disservice...
despite the fact that sometimes as you say it may be impossible for them to stop people, and it may not 'affect' them, i am sure that if all Pooran GurSikhs, i.e. who have merged with VahiGuru, were asked what do they prefer: people to touch their feet or not...they would say that people should go to the Blessed Lotus Feet of Siree Guru Sahib Ji...
i am sure of this.
Veer Ji, let's agree to disagree.
VahiGuruJiKaKhalsa,VahiGuruJiKiFateh!
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Author: vichar
Date: 09-15-05 08:52
someone with true nimrata will not allow ppl to call them sant
its not difficult to stop, bhai niranjan singh managed it (kirtani)
so have Bhai jeevan singh Bhai randhir singh etc etc
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Author: singh
Date: 09-15-05 09:27
jugroop singh veer ji,
Thanks for responding in gursikhi manner veer ji...in this issue i m afraid i will also have agree to "disagree" with you on this matter.
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